Missing Ldraw Colors


Missing Ldraw Colors
#1
Hi Folks,

I want to render parts for a huge amount of models. Therefore I scanned over a lot of available part lists form TLG and came across some colors, where I couldn't find an equivalent in LDconfig.ldr. Is there any chance that we can add the missing colors, so that we can render parts whith these colors?
I found the ID which is used by TLG and the official names for the color. I also have some RGB values if this would help, but these are not official ones and may be wrong.
  • LEGO color: 296 | Cool Silver => Ldraw  135 | Pearl Light Grey
  • LEGO color: 131 | Silver => Ldraw: 135 | Pearl Light Grey
  • LEGO color: 315 | Silver Metallic => Ldraw: 135 | Pearl Light Grey
  • LEGO color: 302 | Transparent Light Blue with Glitter 2% => Ldraw: 302 | Glitter_Trans_Light_Blue - VALUE #AEE9EF - EDGE #72B3B0 - MATERIAL GLITTER VALUE #923978 FRACTION 0.17 VFRACTION 0.2 SIZE 1
  • LEGO color: 339 | Transparent Fluorescent Green with Glitter 2% => Ldraw: 339 | Glitter_Trans_Neon_Green - VALUE #C0FF00 - EDGE #84C300 - MATERIAL GLITTER VALUE #923978 FRACTION 0.17 VFRACTION 0.2 SIZE 1
  • LEGO color: 285 | Transparent Light Green => Ldraw: 285 | Trans_Light_Green - VALUE #7DC291 - EDGE #52805F
  • LEGO color: 218 | Reddish Lilac => Ldraw: 218 | Medium Purple - VALUE #8E5597 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 234 | Transparent Fire Yellow => Ldraw: 218 | Trans_Fire_Yellow VALUE #FBE890 - EDGE #baab6a
  • LEGO color: 295 | Flamingo Pink => Ldraw: 295 | Flamingo Pink - VALUE #FF94C2 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 219 | Lilac => Ldraw: 219 | Medium Violet - VALUE #564E9D - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 336 | Silver Ink => Ldraw: 383 | Metalized Silver - VALUE #6D6E5C - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 293 | Transparent Light Royal Blue => Ldraw: 293 | Trans_Light_Blue_Violet - VALUE #6BABE4 - EDGE #4d7ba3
  • LEGO color: 227 | Transparent Bright Yellowish Green => Ldraw: 35 | Trans_Bright_Green - VALUE #56E646 - EDGE #9DA86B
  • LEGO color: 128 | Dark Nougat => Ldraw: 128 | Dark_Nougat - VALUE #AD6140 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 300 | Copper Drum Lacq =>Ldraw: 300 | Metallic_Copper - VALUE #C27F53 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 189 | Reddish Gold => Ldraw: 189 | Reddish_Gold - VALUE #AC8247 - EDGE #333333 PEARLESCENT
  • LEGO color: 329 | White Glow=> Ldraw: 329 | Glow_In_Dark_White - VALUE #F5F3D7 - EDGE #B5B49F - ALPHA 250 - Luminance 15
  • LEGO color: 231 | Transparent Flame Yellowish Orange => Ldraw: 231 | Tans_Bright_Light_Orange - VALUE #FCB76D - EDGE #BD8951
  • LEGO color: 335 | Gold Ink => Ldraw: 82 | Metallic_Gold - VALUE #DBAC34 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 184 | Metallic Bright Red => Ldraw: 184 | Metallic_Bright_Red - VALUE #D60026 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: none                                    Ldraw: 63 | Chrome_Pink - VALUE #AA4D8E - EDGE #6E1152 CHROME
  • LEGO color: 186 | Metallic Dark Green => LDraw: 186 | Metallic_Dark_Green - VALUE #008E3C - EDGE #333333 - Material PEARLESCENT
  • LEGO color: 284 | Transparent Reddish Lilac => LDraw: 284 | Trans_Light_Purple - Value #96709F - EDGE #59425e 

So Long

Sven
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#2
Hi Sven,

just out of interest (I was on the committee trying to harmonize all the LDraw, LEGO, BL, names and numbers and it gave me a very hard time) where do these numbers and names come from? Did you match them against:

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=Us...ison_Chart
http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.ph...opic=91641
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566

and:

http://brickset.com/colours

w.
LEGO ergo sum
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#3
Don't forget this extensive table: http://rebrickable.com/colors
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(2016-09-05, 8:47)Willy Tschager Wrote: Hi Sven,

just out of interest (I was on the committee trying to harmonize all the LDraw, LEGO, BL, names and numbers and it gave me a very hard time) where do these numbers and names come from? Did you match them against:

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=Us...ison_Chart
http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.ph...opic=91641
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566

and:

http://brickset.com/colours

w.

Hi Willy,

I think I found the right guy for my request Big Grin. These numbers and names are not matched against the mentioned tables. The reason for this is, that I wanted to use the official ids and names from TLG for my purpose. I know that there are a lot of different names and IDs out there and I also used some of them, but I'm trying to use only the official TLG data. 
To do this I scanned over a huge amount of part lists directly from the LEGO page. With this I was not able to get the ids of the colors, but short names like "TR.L.BLUE" (Transparent Light Blue). Therefore the names I picked are only good guesses. To match these short names against the lego IDs I was able to use one of the "pick a brick" pages to tell me the secret of the corresponding ids. 
Whith this method I was able to get a list from Id 0 to Id 999 for all colors. I filtered out all ids which aren't used in any of the part lists and the mentioned colors in my initial post are the ones, which I couldn't map to the ldraw colors.

If it will help, I can give you the complete list with all the ids and names, which I've got. 
From all color tables I've found, this was the most reliable information which I found so far.

So Long 

Sven
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Hi Sven,

(2016-09-05, 9:28)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: These numbers and names are not matched against the mentioned tables. The reason for this is, that I wanted to use the official ids and names from TLG for my purpose. I know that there are a lot of different names and IDs out there and I also used some of them, but I'm trying to use only the official TLG data.

When we updated the color table seven years ago one of the most debated topics was if we should switch to the official TLG data and overwrite our color numbers and names or not. The final approach was to stick to our legacy an keep backwards compatible (you surely know that we had already defined tons of colors before LEGO started sharing its shadow colors back in 2003) and use the LEGO data only for those colors which were not part of the LDConfig file.



(2016-09-05, 9:28)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:  
To do this I scanned over a huge amount of part lists directly from the LEGO page. With this I was not able to get the ids of the colors, but short names like "TR.L.BLUE" (Transparent Light Blue). Therefore the names I picked are only good guesses. To match these short names against the lego IDs I was able to use one of the "pick a brick" pages to tell me the secret of the corresponding ids. 
Whith this method I was able to get a list from Id 0 to Id 999 for all colors. I filtered out all ids which aren't used in any of the part lists and the mentioned colors in my initial post are the ones, which I couldn't map to the ldraw colors.

Please consider Scott's post, who was also on board of the color committee:

http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dev/org/ldraw/?n=4613

It would make no sense adding colors which might have no matching color in real life. If you find colors which are actually missing in the LDConfig but cannot be found in a set I'm happy to add them to the chart.

w.
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#6
Hi Willy,

it's perfectly fine to stick with the color definitions which we currently have. Especially for backward compatibility. I just have the problem, that I wasn't able to find mappings from the official TLG IDs to ldraw color IDs (http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.htmlfor some colors. 

Maybe some of my findings are also covered in the ldraw overview, but I wasn't able to match them to ldraw IDs. So I could need some help here. In addition I think that some colors are not covered at all. Therefore I hope that we can add them. 

I assume that the mentioned colors from my list do exist in real life, because they are used in part lists which I've got from TLG-Service page (https://wwwsecure.us.lego.com/de-de/serv...ementparts)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they only add parts in the lists which they use for real life bricks.

I didn't add the colors which aren't used right now to the list, because I also think that this doesn't make sense.


Unfortunately I don't have any RGB information about the colors, but I can provide at least one brick (TLG Item No) per color to identify the brick, if this would help somehow.


So Long

Sven
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#7
Hi Sven,

again I'm happy to add those colors, but you have to show more evidence, that these colors are actually missing. In short the workload is on you ;-) I therefore propose that you take one color from your list at the time, crosscheck it with the tables mentioned above and post links to LEGO, BL, Brickset, your own pics, ... in short all available sources. We'll see if we can get the RGBs for the shadow colors from the LEGO Community Team once the colors are confirmed.

w.
LEGO ergo sum
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#8
Hi Willy,

I did some homework and found some information about the mentioned colors in the links you provieded. Lets start with the first one.




[Image: 4275396.jpg]
GROOVE TUBE 120MM (SILV.MET.)

My own Data
Lego ID: 296
Lego Name: C.SILVER
MY guessed name: Cool Silver

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
No match found

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 296
BL ID: 131
Lego Name: Cool Silver
BL Name: Not available

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1003
Ldraw ID: 80
Bricklink ID: 67
Lego Name: C.SILVER
Rebrickable Name: Metallic Silver
RGB: #A5A9B4

In this case only rebrickable does provide some useful information. I'm perfectly fine with using Ldraw color 80 (Silver Metallic), but it would be cool to have an official mapping inside ldraw config if this also fits for you. 

I can provide these kind of information for the other colors aswell, if you like to proceed like this.

So Long

Sven 
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Hello Sven

(2016-09-05, 19:48)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Hi Willy,

I did some homework and found some information about the mentioned colors in the links you provieded. Lets start with the first one.
[Image: 4275396.jpg]

GROOVE TUBE 120MM (SILV.MET.)

My own Data
Lego ID: 296
Lego Name: C.SILVER
MY guessed name: Cool Silver


... but there is a match at Brickset:
http://brickset.com/parts/colour-Cool-Silver

[Image: 296.jpg]

We call that colour Pearl Light Grey, LDraw Code 135
I don't know why it is matched to lego id 179 in ldconfig.ldr. Maybe Willy knows?

You picked an interesting example, Sven. My personal opinion is that the connection in ldconfig.ldr between lego id 179 and ldraw code 135 is not correct. IMO, the best tool for comparing lego colours is found at Swooshable. Use the excellent tool Colourschemer for visual help.
All the pictures have been made by Ryan Howerter and is also used at Brickset.

Both colours, lego id 179 Silver flip/flop and lego id 296 Cool silver, were only in production for a year each, 2002 and 2006 and they have been replaced by lego id 131 Silver and lego id 315 Silver metallic. Ryan H. has also put together a timeline of all colours.

I haven't looked at the rest of your list of missing colour, but we are missing one colour, lego id 300 Copper, Drum lacq, in ldconfig.ldr.
Could we please have that one added to ldconfig.ldr?

btw.
Please don't misstake lego id 315 Silver metallic with ldraw code 80 Silver metallic. The ldraw Metallic colour codes should only be used in printed patterns and painted parts. Scratch the surface and the paint will go away.
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(2016-09-05, 22:19)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: We call that colour Pearl Light Grey, LDraw Code 135
I don't know why it is matched to lego id 179 in ldconfig.ldr. Maybe Willy knows?

You picked an interesting example, Sven. My personal opinion is that the connection in ldconfig.ldr between lego id 179 and ldraw code 135 is not correct.

Every time the LDraw and LEGO color number does not match it's a clear indicator that we already had a LDraw legacy color and based on the RGB and other information picked a LEGO color. Sometimes sources where not clear and it was all about a guessing game. What we also had in mind was an AFOL approach rather than a LEGO one. This means that if there was a BL name available we would favour the BL name. Therefore "Maersk Blue" over "Pastel Blue". Keep also in mind that we are working with "shadow colors". The RGBs LEGO provides are the ones used on there systems to represent a brick color and does NOT match 100% the real ABS color.

Back to "296 Cool Silver". Apparently BL also uses "Pearl Light Grey" and what about 179 and 135. Proposals -  and please use a very practical approach?

w.
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(2016-09-06, 9:31)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-09-05, 22:19)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: We call that colour Pearl Light Grey, LDraw Code 135
I don't know why it is matched to lego id 179 in ldconfig.ldr. Maybe Willy knows?

You picked an interesting example, Sven. My personal opinion is that the connection in ldconfig.ldr between lego id 179 and ldraw code 135 is not correct.

Every time the LDraw and LEGO color number does not match it's a clear indicator that we already had a LDraw legacy color and based on the RGB and other information picked a LEGO color. Sometimes sources where not clear and it was all about a guessing game. What we also had in mind was an AFOL approach rather than a LEGO one. This means that if there was a BL name available we would favour the BL name. Therefore "Maersk Blue" over "Pastel Blue". Keep also in mind that we are working with "shadow colors". The RGBs LEGO provides are the ones used on there systems to represent a brick color and does NOT match 100% the real ABS color.

Back to "296 Cool Silver". Apparently BL also uses "Pearl Light Grey" and what about 179 and 135. Proposals -  and please use a very practical approach?

w.

Hi Willy,

what about keeping the mapping for LEGO color 179 to Ldraw 135 for backwards compatibility reasons. In addition we could introduce a new color for 296 Cool silver? If we do it this way we can clearly distinguish the colors. At least from their IDs. If the optical difference is near zero, we could map LEGO color 296 also to Ldraw 135. But we need the information from someone who owns parts in both colors. 
Therefore I suggest:

LEGO color 179 (Silver Flip Flop) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> new ID, new RGB and new Ldraw name 
or
LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

What do you think?

So Long

Sven
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(2016-09-14, 18:15)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: LEGO color 179 (Silver Flip Flop) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> new ID, new RGB and new Ldraw name 
or
LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

I'm more inclined to replace 135 with LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) but since it has been replace by LEGO color ID 131 Silver and LEGO color ID 315 Silver metallic
we should pack 135 with 296+131+315.

w.
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(2016-09-15, 0:56)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-09-14, 18:15)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: LEGO color 179 (Silver Flip Flop) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> new ID, new RGB and new Ldraw name 
or
LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

I'm more inclined to replace 135 with LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) but since it has been replace by LEGO color ID 131 Silver and LEGO color ID 315 Silver metallic
we should pack 135 with 296+131+315.

w.


If I understand you right, you suggest to do it like this:

LEGO color 296 (Cool Silver) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)
LEGO color 131(Silver) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)
LEGO color 315(Silver Metallic) -> Ldraw 135 (Pearl Light Grey)

Does 315 Silver Metallic needs a different finish for rendering, than the other ones? Maybe some chrome like finish, or do they look similar?
If they are all almost the same, I'm fine with it.

So Long

Sven
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#23
If you look at parts images here http://brickset.com/colours/family-Metal you see that there is probably more color discrepancy between parts that are supposed to be the same color than between these three different color bins. So I'm OK to map them to the same LDraw color, and use RGB of metallic silver  (current color) - though "RGB" here means little!!!
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#25
(2016-09-15, 11:54)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: If you look at parts images here http://brickset.com/colours/family-Metal you see that there is probably more color discrepancy between parts that are supposed to be the same color than between these three different color bins. So I'm OK to map them to the same LDraw color, and use RGB of metallic silver  (current color) - though "RGB" here means little!!!

Good overview. From my point of view our three canditates look very similar. Because these are photos, the lighting conditions could be different when the photos where taken.
The other ones from the link are easier to distinguish.

So Long

Sven
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Nailed! let's move on to the next color:

ID: 302 -> Transparent Light Blue with Glitter 2%

(Please reply to the first post otherwise we will get lost in the thread).

w.
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(2016-09-16, 10:07)Willy Tschager Wrote: Nailed! let's move on to the next color:

ID: 302 -> Transparent Light Blue with Glitter 2%

(Please reply to the first post otherwise we will get lost in the thread).

w.

Cool. Ok I'll also update my first post to document our results. I think it will be more readable this way.

So Long

Sven
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(2016-09-05, 19:48)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: I can provide these kind of information for the other colors aswell, if you like to proceed like this.

This is what I'm looking for, with the chance of other people chipping in. Keep them coming but please wait 'til we have sorted out the color in question.

w.
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(2016-09-06, 9:03)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-09-05, 19:48)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: I can provide these kind of information for the other colors aswell, if you like to proceed like this.

This is what I'm looking for, with the chance of other people chipping in. Keep them coming but please wait 'til we have sorted out the color in question.

w.

Sorry, I didn't receive any mails from the forum for your replies. Therefore I thought there weren't any. I'll provide the information in the next days.

So Long

Sven
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#12
Maybe this table could be of use for your investigation. To me it seems like it is the most complete and especially the most organized out of all the color tables.  Smile
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Sorry for popping into this discussion, but a colour for Rubber Green also missing.

/Max
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(2016-09-14, 18:45)Max Martin Richter Wrote: Sorry for popping into this discussion, but a colour for Rubber Green also missing.

/Max

Hi Max,

do you have a clue or something about lego id or name? Maybe a part where it is used would help to identify the LEGO color. If we could identify it, I'll add it to the list.

So Long

Sven
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#17
Sven,

Have you read this article?   The curious case of LEGO colours

Finding the "correct" colour isn't allways that easy, and maybe it sometimes isn't that important to have the correct shade of grey...
But I agree. We seem to be missing some important, common colours.
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(2016-09-14, 22:08)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Sven,

Have you read this article?   The curious case of LEGO colours

Finding the "correct" colour isn't allways that easy, and maybe it sometimes isn't that important to have the correct shade of grey...
But I agree. We seem to be missing some important, common colours.

Hi Magnus,

thank you for the link to the very good article. I also agree, that it is not always important to have the exact right color. I just want to come to an official mapping from the used LEGO colors to ldraw colors. So that I'm able to render the parts. It's also fine if several LEGO colors share the same Ldraw color. 

So Long 

Sven
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(2016-09-14, 19:58)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:
(2016-09-14, 18:45)Max Martin Richter Wrote: Sorry for popping into this discussion, but a colour for Rubber Green also missing.

/Max

Hi Max,

do you have a clue or something about lego id or name? Maybe a part where it is used would help to identify the LEGO color. If we could identify it, I'll add it to the list.

So Long

Sven

I don't know too much about LDraw colors, but I think rubber green is the same story as rubber black. On inventory sites such as Rebrickable and Bricklink, rubber parts in black (often tires) just get assigned the color 'Black', because it is black. In the LDraw world, there are 2 blacks though: normal black and rubber black. Because, in real life, rubber parts in black look less 'deep black', they look more grayish (because of the material rubber) and more matte. So, when you give rubber parts the color rubber black, they look more 'realistic' in renderings and such. 

I can't find a comparison, but you can easily make one yourself I think  Wink
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(2016-09-14, 19:58)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:
(2016-09-14, 18:45)Max Martin Richter Wrote: Sorry for popping into this discussion, but a colour for Rubber Green also missing.

/Max

Hi Max,

do you have a clue or something about lego id or name? Maybe a part where it is used would help to identify the LEGO color. If we could identify it, I'll add it to the list.

So Long

Sven

I had an email correspondence with Philo  couple of months ago, but somehow we never found a result in this question.
Rubber green is used in the CodePilot of Set 8479 and in the Mindstorms RCX controller...

/Max
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(2016-09-14, 18:45)Max Martin Richter Wrote: Sorry for popping into this discussion, but a colour for Rubber Green also missing.

/Max

Please let us tackle one color at the time.

w.
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#28
Let's hunt the next one:

[Image: 6093745.jpg]
Dragon's Fire


My own Data
Lego ID: 302
Lego Name: PCTR LI.BLUE W/G
MY guessed name: Transparent Light Blue with Glitter 2%

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
No match found

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
No match found

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1014
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 162
Lego Name: PCTR LI.BLUE W/G
Rebrickable Name: Glitter Trans-Light Blue
RGB: #68BCC5

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 302
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 162
Lego name: Transparent Light Blue with Glitter
RGB: #00BAD2

Once again, not a lot of information available. The Name and and the Lego ID is fine I think. Unfortunately we've two different RGB Values from Rebrickable and Swooshable.
Because I didn't found any mapping I think it's a not yet covered color in ldraw. Does someone has more information on that?

So Long

Sven
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The color name should be in sync with the rest of glitter. Therefore:

302 - Glitter_Trans_Light_Blue

furthermore it would be reasonable to use the same RGB as for Trans_Light_Blue also counting in that there is not a commune value out there.

w.
LEGO ergo sum
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#30
Yes this makes sense. Using the same RGB as Trans_light_blue is also fine, because it is the same with the other glitter colors. Only the Edge value differs.
Because 302 seems to be free as Ldraw id, should we simply use it?

So Long

Sven
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(2016-09-19, 7:18)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Yes this makes sense. Using the same RGB as Trans_light_blue is also fine, because it is the same with the other glitter colors. Only the Edge value differs.
Because 302 seems to be free as Ldraw id, should we simply use it?

So Long

Sven

Yes. This would become

LEGOID 302 - Transparent Light Blue with Glitter 2%
302 - Glitter_Trans_Light_Blue - VALUE #AEE9EF - EDGE #72B3B0 - MATERIAL GLITTER VALUE #923978 FRACTION 0.17 VFRACTION 0.2 SIZE 1

w.
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#31
May I ask for more changes in the config files?
  • The word "colour" is mispellt in the LDCfgalt.ldr file. Color => Colour
  • I want to increase the alpha value of "Trans Black IR Lens" to 210. I want it to be less see-through.
  • I want to increase the alpha value of "Milky White" to 240. I want it to be less see-through.
  • And maybe also have the two Glow-in-dark-colours set to alpha 240.
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#32
+1!
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#34
Ok here's the next one from the list

[Image: 6093751.jpg]

NOSE CONE SMALL 1X1 - TR


My own Data
Lego ID: 339
Lego Name: TR.FL.GRE W/GLI
MY guessed name: Transparent Fluorescent Green with Glitter 2%

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
No match found

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
No match found

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1013
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 163
Lego Name: TR.FL.GRE W/GLI
Rebrickable Name: Glitter Trans-Neon Green
RGB: #C0F500

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 339
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 163
Lego name: Transparent Fluorescent Green with Glitter
RGB: #F0FC00


I think this guy is similar to our green glitter friend. 339 is free as ldraw id and it also should be similar to Trans_neon_green (Ldraw 42) just with glitter.

What do the others think?

So Long

Sven
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#35
(2016-09-21, 19:35)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: I think this guy is similar to our green glitter friend. 339 is free as ldraw id and it also should be similar to Trans_neon_green (Ldraw 42) just with glitter.
Works for me. 42 vs. 339:
[Image: 49.jpg][Image: 339.jpg]
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#36
Sven, if you use the same material setting as for Glitter_Trans_Light_Blue this is a GO.

w.
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#37
Then it shold be like this:


LEGO color: 339 | Transparent Fluorescent Green with Glitter 2% => Ldraw: 339 | Glitter_Trans_Neon_Green - VALUE #C0FF00 - EDGE #84C300 - MATERIAL GLITTER VALUE #923978 FRACTION 0.17 VFRACTION 0.2 SIZE 1
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#38
And another one

[Image: 4245406.jpg]
BANGLE 45X57X12 W. 1 BASE


My own Data
Lego ID: 285
Lego Name: TR.L.GREEN
MY guessed name: Transparent light green

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 285
Ldraw ID: na
Lego Name: Tr. Light Green
RGB: #E4DBDB

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 285
Bricklink ID: na
Lego Name: Transparent light green
Bricklink Name: na

http://rebrickable.com/colors
No match found

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 285
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 108
Lego name: Transparent light green
RGB: #E4D6DA

No a lot of information available for this fellow. Also two slightly different RGB values. At least the name should fit to ldraw scheme (Trans_light_green). The ldraw id 285 is also available for a new entry.

So long

Sven
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#39
Both colors have its dominant in red. Swooshable more than our wiki. Picking the color from the image you've posted I get:

#F0FEED

which is greenish.

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LEGO ergo sum
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#40
The Picture is from LEGO Parts and Pieces. I assume they did a more or less accurate rendering. Also from the name it does make sense that it is greenish. I wonder why the other sources list this color somhow reddish.

So Long

Sven
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#41
Setting the light gray of this picture taken from swooshable:

[Image: 15208782362_d965c82caf_o.jpg]

to 50% gray and measuring the green over that neutral gray I get:

#7DC291

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#42
Rainbow 
I like 


#7DC291


So Long

Sven
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#43
(2016-09-25, 10:33)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: I like 


#7DC291


So Long

Sven

Since nobody complained go ahead.

w.
LEGO ergo sum
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#44
Quote:Since nobody complained go ahead.
Yup!
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#45
(2016-09-28, 12:37)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
Quote:Since nobody complained go ahead.
Yup!

Ok let's name it:


* LEGO color: 285 | Transparent Light Green => Ldraw: 285 | Trans_Light_Green - VALUE #7DC291 - EDGE #??????


Can someone  help with the edge color?

So Long

Sven
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#46
(2016-10-03, 17:35)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: * LEGO color: 285 | Transparent Light Green => Ldraw: 285 | Trans_Light_Green - VALUE #7DC291 - EDGE #??????


Can someone  help with the edge color?

#52805f

w.
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#47
(2016-10-03, 18:19)Willy Tschager Wrote: #52805f

w.

How are the edge colours created?
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#48
(2016-10-03, 20:42)Magnus Forsberg Wrote:
(2016-10-03, 18:19)Willy Tschager Wrote: #52805f

w.

How are the edge colours created?

In HSB the brightness is reduced by 25%

w.
LEGO ergo sum
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#49
(2016-10-04, 12:52)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-10-03, 20:42)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: How are the edge colours created?

In HSB the brightness is reduced by 25%

w.

Ok we've found another one:

* LEGO color: 285 | Transparent Light Green => Ldraw: 285 | Trans_Light_Green - VALUE #7DC291 - EDGE #52805F

Next one will follow soon.
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#50
Wink 
And the next one

[Image: 4240077.jpg]
Base: Rectangle 10x22MM


My own Data
Lego ID: 218
Lego Name: RED. LILAC
MY guessed name: Reddish Lilac

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 218
Ldraw Name: Medium Violet
LEgo Name: Reddish Violet
RGB: #8E5597

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 218
Lego Name: Reddish Lilac

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 218
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Lego Name: RED. LILAC
Rebrickable Name: Reddish Lilac
RGB: #8E5597

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 218
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Lego name: Reddish Lilac
RGB: #8E5597


I think this fellow is simple. Three sources list the same RGB #8E5597, so we should take it. 218 is free as ldraw ID, so we also can take this. As Ldraw name, we could take Medium Violet. If this is ok, only the edge color is missing.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#51
We translated Lilac with Purple. See Bright Reddish Lilac, Medium Lilac, therefore this should become Medium Purple. As for the edge the usual #333333 should be appropriate.

w.

BTW, you should also add the original LEGO color name to your chart to ease future identification, see http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
LEGO ergo sum
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#52
(2016-10-06, 11:36)Willy Tschager Wrote: As for the edge the usual #333333 should be appropriate.

Please create new edge colours for the alternative file too, ldcfgalt.ldr
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#54
(2016-10-06, 21:10)Magnus Forsberg Wrote:
(2016-10-06, 11:36)Willy Tschager Wrote: As for the edge the usual #333333 should be appropriate.

Please create new edge colours for the alternative file too, ldcfgalt.ldr

I would love if you could help me out on this since I do not have any intention to get creative.

w.
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#64
(2016-10-11, 18:50)Willy Tschager Wrote: I would love if you could help me out on this since I do not have any intention to get creative.

I could do that if I would understand how to. I tried to recreate the edge colour from the examples above and failed.
Light colours should have darker edges, and darker colours have lighter edges. Right?

You said above "brightness is reduced by 25%". There is a big difference between "reduce by 25 percent" and "reduce by 25 percentage points"

Could you show me an online tool that could be used. I don't have Photoshop.

What do you mean by "creative"? Are you telling me there is no ruling idea behind the alternative edge colours?
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#65
(2016-10-16, 11:05)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: I could do that if I would understand how to. I tried to recreate the edge colour from the examples above and failed.
Light colours should have darker edges, and darker colours have lighter edges. Right?

You said above "brightness is reduced by 25%". There is a big difference between "reduce by 25 percent" and "reduce by 25 percentage points"

Could you show me an online tool that could be used. I don't have Photoshop.

Sure:

http://www.webme.co.uk/web-tools/color-picker.php
http://onlinewebtool.com/colorpicker.php

Insert a hex and if B says for example 76 move B to 51 to get your edge color.


(2016-10-16, 11:05)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: What do you mean by "creative"? Are you telling me there is no ruling idea behind the alternative edge colours?

Don't ask me, I haven't worked on the alternative LDConfig. My guessing is that some values have been copied form the old LDConfig, while the criteria for the rest was, well, taste. Therefore your first step should be working out some rules for you. If I remember correctly we used a brighter edge line for the LDconfig.ldr on the dark colors when B droped below 33%.

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#66
Thanks, looks like good tools.  I'll get creative.
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#53
[Image: 4259789.jpg]
Seashell, L. 14mm


My own Data
Lego ID: 234 
Lego Name: TR. FIRE YELL.
MY guessed name: Transparent Fire Yellow

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: na
Ldraw Name: na
Lego Name: Tr. Fire. Yellow
RGB: #F1E5AF

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 234
Lego Name: Transparent Fire Yellow

http://rebrickable.com/colors
No match found

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 234
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Lego name: Transparent Fire Yellow
RGB: #FBE890


This is a hard guy. Only a few information available. And two opinions on the RGB color. The good thing is, that the 234 is free as ldraw id. 
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#55
I'm fine with the name. As for the RGB I'd go with swooshable. Measuring the color in PS I get values close to #FBE890 (since it is a transparent part it is hard to figure out what is the gray background and what is overlay). As for the edge use #baab6a

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#63
(2016-10-12, 6:20)Willy Tschager Wrote: I'm fine with the name. As for the RGB I'd go with swooshable. Measuring the color in PS I get values close to #FBE890 (since it is a transparent part it is hard to figure out what is the gray background and what is overlay). As for the edge use #baab6a

w.

Sven,

go ahead with this one.

w.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#67
(2016-10-16, 7:34)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-10-12, 6:20)Willy Tschager Wrote: I'm fine with the name. As for the RGB I'd go with swooshable. Measuring the color in PS I get values close to #FBE890 (since it is a transparent part it is hard to figure out what is the gray background and what is overlay). As for the edge use #baab6a

w.

Sven,

go ahead with this one.

w.

Ok here it is:

LEGO color: 234 | Transparent Fire Yellow => Ldraw: 218 | Trans_Fire_Yellow VALUE #FBE890 - EDGE #baab6a
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#56
While we are working on LDConfig.ldr, I'd like to see RGB value of main color (16) to be changed to something more "visible" than current gray, which is very easy to confuse with Light Gray or LBG. See this discussion for more details... I suggest to use #ffff80, a color I use for years as default color for LDView.

Other opinions/suggestions?
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#57
(2016-10-13, 18:48)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: While we are working on LDConfig.ldr, I'd like to see RGB value of main color (16) to be changed to something more "visible" than current gray, which is very easy to confuse with Light Gray or LBG. See this discussion for more details... I suggest to use #ffff80, a color I use for years as default color for LDView.

Other opinions/suggestions?

This means, that I need to change my background from white to another colour too. :-)
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#58
(2016-10-14, 7:39)Max Martin Richter Wrote: This means, that I need to change my background from white to another colour too. :-)
Not forced. I use white background. I agree that the text preview here seems overexposed, but with shading it works really well (at least in LDView).
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#59
(2016-10-13, 18:48)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: While we are working on LDConfig.ldr, I'd like to see RGB value of main color (16) to be changed to something more "visible" than current gray, which is very easy to confuse with Light Gray or LBG. See this discussion for more details... I suggest to use #ffff80, a color I use for years as default color for LDView.

Other opinions/suggestions?

It's close to Bright_Light_Yellow but I think being similar to Light_Gray is much worse. I'm fine with it.

w.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#60
Quote:It's close to Bright_Light_Yellow but I think being similar to Light_Gray is much worse. I'm fine with it.
It's indeed difficult to choose a color not close of an existing one in LEGO palette - just need to find one not as ubiquitous as LG/LBG!

We shouldn't be too fast to change this color, it seems to trigger issues with some software - albeit not major ones:
- LDPE does show the modified color in the color bar, but a part in main color remain gray
- In LDCad, unused space in color wheel takes the color of main color and becomes yellow.
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#61
How about LDView and DatHeader/LDFind/LDStructure?
I can't make them show that yellow colour.

Preview icons in Windows are still created grey by LDView.

Or do I still have issues from having software in the wrong folder?
I have a copy of ldconfig.ldr in the VirtualStore-folder downloaded by DatHeader
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#62
Quote:How about LDView and DatHeader/LDFind/LDStructure?
I can't make them show that yellow colour.
LDView (and Mike's tools that use LDView DLL) use "default color" defined in LDView preference instead of LDConfig color 16.

Quote:Preview icons in Windows are still created grey by LDView.
This depends on LDView "thumbnails" preference set.
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#68
Photo 
Next one

[Image: 4275200.jpg]
Icon, Hawaii Flover, L. 16-POL

My own Data
Lego ID: 295
Lego Name: FLA.PINK
MY guessed name: Flamingo Pink

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 295
Ldraw Name: Bright Pink
Lego Name: Flamingo Pink
RGB: na

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 295
Lego Name: Flamingo Pink

http://rebrickable.com/colors
No match found

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 295
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Lego name: Flamingo Pink
RGB: #FF94C2


It seems that there only exists one piece in this color. Unfortunately there is no image of any part in this color by TLG Sad. The only color information we have is from swooshable. The good thing is, that 295 is available as ldraw id. If we decide to use the swooshable color. Should we take "Bright Pink" as name?

So Long

SVen
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#69
(2016-10-18, 15:42)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: It seems that there only exists one piece in this color. Unfortunately there is no image of any part in this color by TLG Sad. The only color information we have is from swooshable. The good thing is, that 295 is available as ldraw id. If we decide to use the swooshable color. Should we take "Bright Pink" as name?

We've already got a Bright_Pink:

// LEGOID 222 - Light Purple
!COLOUR Bright_Pink CODE 29 VALUE #E4ADC8

According to Swoosh this is a retired color so we should stick to Flamingo Pink.

w.

#333333
LEGO ergo sum
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#70
(2016-10-18, 19:28)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-10-18, 15:42)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: It seems that there only exists one piece in this color. Unfortunately there is no image of any part in this color by TLG Sad. The only color information we have is from swooshable. The good thing is, that 295 is available as ldraw id. If we decide to use the swooshable color. Should we take "Bright Pink" as name?

We've already got a Bright_Pink:

// LEGOID 222 - Light Purple
!COLOUR Bright_Pink CODE 29 VALUE #E4ADC8

According to Swoosh this is a retired color so we should stick to Flamingo Pink.

w.

#333333

Looks like a go:

LEGO color: 295 | Flamingo Pink => Ldraw: 295 | Flamingo Pink - VALUE #FF94C2 - EDGE #333333

w.
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#71
Next one

[Image: 4229354.jpg]
Brick 2x4

My own Data
Lego ID: 219
Lego Name: LILAC
MY guessed name: Lilac

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 219
Ldraw Name: Violet
Lego Name: Lilac
RGB: #564E9D

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 219
Lego Name: Lilac

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1009
Ldraw ID: 110
Bricklink ID: 43
Lego Name: LILAC
Rebrickable Name: Violet
RGB: #4354A3

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 219
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 73
Bricklink Name: Lilac
Lego name: Lilac
RGB: #564E9D


We might have a conflict here, because Rebrickable mentioned 110 as Ldraw ID whis is "Bright bluish violet". I also have 110 as Lego ID Bright bluish violet, so maybe 219 is something similar, but at least from TLG point of view different.


So Long

Sven
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#72
The main problem is that we have a total mismatch between Lilac, Pink, Violet and Purple, but it cannot be solved without breaking the links to BL. I would therefore go with BLs "Medium Violet"

w.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#73
(2016-10-24, 19:00)Willy Tschager Wrote: The main problem is that we have a total mismatch between Lilac, Pink, Violet and Purple, but it cannot be solved without breaking the links to BL. I would therefore go with BLs "Medium Violet"

w.

May I asked why it would be a big issue to break/rework the links with BL if we could clean up stuff? 

So Long

Sven
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#74
(2016-10-25, 18:22)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:
(2016-10-24, 19:00)Willy Tschager Wrote: The main problem is that we have a total mismatch between Lilac, Pink, Violet and Purple, but it cannot be solved without breaking the links to BL. I would therefore go with BLs "Medium Violet"

w.

May I asked why it would be a big issue to break/rework the links with BL if we could clean up stuff? 

So Long

Sven

Because many use the LDraw System of Tools to prototype and the resulting parts list as shopping list for BL. It wouldn't make much sense to clean up stuff for the sake that we know the fan created charts are wrong and we know better.

w.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#75
Ok, got it. Then let's go with Medium  Violet. What about the colors? Shall we go with Swooshable #564E9D?

So Long

Sven
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#76
(2016-10-27, 18:52)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Ok, got it. Then let's go with Medium  Violet. What about the colors? Shall we go with Swooshable #564E9D?

So Long

Sven

Yepp, do so.

w.
LEGO ergo sum
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#77
(2016-10-28, 8:53)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-10-27, 18:52)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Ok, got it. Then let's go with Medium  Violet. What about the colors? Shall we go with Swooshable #564E9D?

So Long

Sven

Yepp, do so.

w.

Here it is:

LEGO color: 219 | Lilac => Ldraw: 219 | Medium Violet  VALUE #564E9D - EDGE #333333
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#78
Next one

[Image: 6051422.jpg]
Lattice Plate 1x2 "No. 1000"


My own Data
Lego ID: 336
Lego Name: SILVER INK
MY guessed name: Silver Ink

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: na
Ldraw Name: Metallic Silver
Lego Name: Silver Ink
RGB: na

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 336
Lego Name: Silver Ink

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1003
Ldraw ID: 80
Bricklink ID: 67
Lego Name: SILVER INK
Rebrickable Name: Metallic Silver
RGB: #A5A9B4

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 336
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Silver Ink
RGB: #F7F7F7


I think this is quiet a challenge. We have a free Ldraw ID, but a mismatch with the names. Rebrickable points out "Metallic Silver (Ldraw 80)" , but this is already taken by (LEGO ID 315 "Silver Metallic").
We could create a new color or map LEGO ID 336 also to LDraw ID 80.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#79
What I don't understand is that we have 3 different LEGO IDs (depending on source) for this color ??? (336/219/1003)
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#80
(2016-10-29, 18:18)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: What I don't understand is that we have 3 different LEGO IDs (depending on source) for this color ??? (336/219/1003)

As far as I know 1003 is a ID which is taken by rebrickable, because they didn't know the number. I did not get any number higher than 999 from TLG. 

336 is Silver Ink from TLG
219 is mistake from the last color. I'll just correct it.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#81
According to the timeline and the photo stream at swooshable this is a chrome color and we should simply map it to 309 - Metalized Silver, LDraw 383.

w.
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#82
Next one

[Image: 4260339.jpg]
RING 14,7 - POLISHED

My own Data
Lego ID: 293
Lego Name: TR.L.ROYAL BLUE
MY guessed name: Transparent Light Royal Blue

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
No match found

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 293
Lego Name: Transparent Light Royal Blue

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 293
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Lego Name: TR.L.ROYAL BLUE
Rebrickable Name: Trans Light Royal Blue
RGB: #B4D4F7

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 293
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Transparent Light Royal Blue
RGB: #6BABE4


Here we have another transparent piece. It's a rare color and only a few information available. 293 is a free ldraw id. The Royal Blue colors are mapped to different ldraw names (Blue_violet, Light_blue), therefore we can't simply adopt the name. Because it is a "light" color we could go with "Trans_Light_Blue". At least from my point of view it would fit. For RGB values we have swooshable and rebrickable as different options.

So Long

Sven
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#83
According to our nomenclatura for "Royal" this becomes:
Trans_Light_Blue_Violet
The darker swooshable RGB is closer to the photostream but it's up to you.
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#84
(2016-11-05, 9:23)Willy Tschager Wrote: According to our nomenclatura for "Royal" this becomes:
Trans_Light_Blue_Violet
The darker swooshable RGB is closer to the photostream but it's up to you.
w.

Ok, then I would suggest to do it this way:

LEGO color: 293 | Transparent Light Royal Blue => Ldraw: 293 | Trans_Light_Blue_VioletVALUE #6BABE4- EDGE #??????

Only Edge is missing.

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#85
Use 4d7ba3.

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[Image: 4275231.jpg]
RING 14,7 - POLISHED

My own Data
Lego ID: 227 
Lego Name: TR. BR. YEL GR
MY guessed name: Transparent Bright Yellowish Green

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 227
Lego Name: Tr. Bright Yellowish Green
RGB: #D4E5AB

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
No match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 227
Lego Name: Transparent Bright Yellowish Green

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 227
Ldraw ID: 35
Bricklink ID: 108
Lego Name: TR. BR. YEL GR
Rebrickable Name: Trans-Bright Green
RGB: #D9E4A7

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 227
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 108
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Transparent Light Yellowish Green
RGB: #C9E788

Well, here we go. As far as I know, this color does only exists in one single part. The good thing is, that the Ldraw ID 227 is free. Unfortunately we have three RGB values to choose from. Rebrickable already maps this color to Ldraw 35 (Trans Bright Green). Ldraw 35 is at the same time Lego ID 311 (Transparent Light green) which does fit better from my point of view.
So it's open for discussion how to deal with this one.

So Long

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#87
[quote pid='23761' dateline='1478633447']
Well, here we go. As far as I know, this color does only exists in one single part. The good thing is, that the Ldraw ID 227 is free. Unfortunately we have three RGB values to choose from. Rebrickable already maps this color to Ldraw 35 (Trans Bright Green). Ldraw 35 is at the same time Lego ID 311 (Transparent Light green) which does fit better from my point of view.
So it's open for discussion how to deal with this one.
[/quote]

According to the time table this is out of production and personally I would map it to LDraw 35 Trans Bright Green.

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#89
(2016-11-10, 14:17)Willy Tschager Wrote: [quote pid='23761' dateline='1478633447']
Well, here we go. As far as I know, this color does only exists in one single part. The good thing is, that the Ldraw ID 227 is free. Unfortunately we have three RGB values to choose from. Rebrickable already maps this color to Ldraw 35 (Trans Bright Green). Ldraw 35 is at the same time Lego ID 311 (Transparent Light green) which does fit better from my point of view.
So it's open for discussion how to deal with this one.

According to the time table this is out of production and personally I would map it to LDraw 35 Trans Bright Green.

w.
[/quote]

Ok I mapped it to 35.

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#88
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[Image: 4163862.jpg]
MINI WIG MAN

My own Data
Lego ID: 128
Lego Name: DARK NOUGAT
MY guessed name: Dark Nougat

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 128
Ldraw Name: Dark Orange / Earth Orange
Lego Name: Dark Nougat
RGB: #AD6140

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
Lego Id: 128
Lego Name: Dark Nougat
RGB: #AE7A59

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 128
Lego Name: Dark Nougat

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 128
Ldraw ID: 366
Bricklink ID: 29
Lego Name: DARK NOUGAT
Rebrickable Name: Earth Orange
RGB: #FA9C1C

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 128
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Dark Nougat
RGB: #AD6140


Here we've some information available. We have a free LDraw ID and some hints where could map it, if we want to. From my point of view the "Eath Orange" is a little bit to orangish. At least from the lego picture and the one from swooshable. I think it should be more brownish. If we want to map it to an existing color I would prefer "Dark Orange". Or we just create a new color.

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#90
Map it to a new color number and use the Swooshable RGB which come close to what I measure in PS.

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#91
(2016-11-11, 11:04)Willy Tschager Wrote: Map it to a new color number and use the Swooshable RGB which come close to what I measure in PS.

w.

Go ahead.

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
#92
(2016-11-16, 8:26)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2016-11-11, 11:04)Willy Tschager Wrote: Map it to a new color number and use the Swooshable RGB which come close to what I measure in PS.

w.

Go ahead.

w.

Sorry, too much stuff to do. I'll add the next one.

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#93
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[Image: 4594655.jpg]
AXE HEAD W HOLE 3.2, DRUM LAQU

My own Data
Lego ID: 300
Lego Name: COPPER, DR.LA.
MY guessed name: Copper Drum Lacq

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
no match found

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 300
Lego Name: Copper, Drum Lacquered matte copper surface coating

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 134
Ldraw ID: 134
Bricklink ID: 84
Lego Name: COPPER, DR.LA.
Rebrickable Name: Copper
RGB: #AE7A59

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 300
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Copper, Drum Lacquered
RGB: #C47949


Here's a new challenge. Only sparse information available. LDraw ID is free. I think the information from rebrickable is somehow wrong. I know for sure that "COPPER, DR.LA." is Lego ID 300. Therefore I wouldn't give much about the RGB value from Rebrickable. I would go with Swooshable. Also their Lego name does make more sense than mine. So I suggest to use LDraw ID 300 and for the name some speckle color. Speckle_Copper? But there is also a "Speckle_Black_Copper".

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(2016-11-16, 19:07)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Here's a new challenge. Only sparse information available. LDraw ID is free. I think the information from rebrickable is somehow wrong. I know for sure that "COPPER, DR.LA." is Lego ID 300. Therefore I wouldn't give much about the RGB value from Rebrickable. I would go with Swooshable. Also their Lego name does make more sense than mine. So I suggest to use LDraw ID 300 and for the name some speckle color. Speckle_Copper? But there is also a "Speckle_Black_Copper".

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Sven

No, it should be "Metallic_Copper". It's a metallic paint mainly used on patterned parts.
we already have
Lego Cool Silver Drum Laquer as LDraw Metallic_Silver
Lego  Warm Gold Drum Laquer as LDraw Metallic_Gold

I think #C47949 is too dark. To me its more like #DC9150
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(2016-11-16, 23:20)Magnus Forsberg Wrote:
(2016-11-16, 19:07)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Here's a new challenge. Only sparse information available. LDraw ID is free. I think the information from rebrickable is somehow wrong. I know for sure that "COPPER, DR.LA." is Lego ID 300. Therefore I wouldn't give much about the RGB value from Rebrickable. I would go with Swooshable. Also their Lego name does make more sense than mine. So I suggest to use LDraw ID 300 and for the name some speckle color. Speckle_Copper? But there is also a "Speckle_Black_Copper".

So Long

Sven

No, it should be "Metallic_Copper". It's a metallic paint mainly used on patterned parts.
we already have
Lego Cool Silver Drum Laquer as LDraw Metallic_Silver
Lego  Warm Gold Drum Laquer as LDraw Metallic_Gold

I think #C47949 is too dark. To me its more like #DC9150

I'm also fine with "Metallic_Copper". Willy, what do you think?

So Long

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#96
Here's a pic with the proposed colors:

   

the color in the middle has been measured in PS. The rest is fine with me.

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#97
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[Image: 4223106.jpg]
Sword

My own Data
Lego ID: 189
Lego Name: RED. GOLD
MY guessed name: Reddish Gold

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 189
Ldraw Name: Copper
Lego Name: Dark Orange / Earth Orange
RGB: #AC8247

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 189
Lego Name: Reddish Gold

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 139
Ldraw ID: 134
Bricklink ID: 84
Lego Name: RED. GOLD
Rebrickable Name: Copper
RGB: #AE7A59

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 189
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Reddish Gold / Gold Metallic
RGB: #AC8247

For this color I'm only aware of the sword on the picture. The Ldraw ID 189 is free. Rebrickable does map this color to the same like before (300), but I think this one is brighter and more goldlike. 

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#98
If it's okay with you go with:

189 - Reddish Gold and use the swooshable RGB (rebrickable is too brownish). Don't forget to add a PEARLESCENT statement

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#99
(2016-11-26, 15:48)Willy Tschager Wrote: If it's okay with you go with:

189 - Reddish Gold and use the swooshable RGB (rebrickable is too brownish). Don't forget to add a PEARLESCENT statement

w.

Ok thank you.
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[Image: 6009091.jpg]
NOSE CONE SMALL 1x1 - TR

My own Data
Lego ID: 329
Lego Name: WHITE GLOW
MY guessed name: White Glow

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 329
Ldraw Name: Glow in Dark White
Lego Name: White Glow
RGB: #F5F3D7

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 329
Bricklink id: 159
Bricklink Name:Glow In Dark White
Lego Name: White Glow



http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1005
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 159
Lego Name: WHITE GLOW
Rebrickable Name: Glow in Dark White
RGB: #D9D9D9

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 189
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 159
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: White Glow
RGB: #F5F3D7


Ldraw 329 is free and it seems that everyone wants that this color is named "Glow in Dark White". Well, why not? The RGB from swooshable and the ldraw wiki is the same, so it could fit.

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Okay: 329 - Glow_In_Dark_Trans - #F5F3D7 - Edge #B5B49F - Alpha 250 - Luminance 15

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(2016-12-02, 7:46)Willy Tschager Wrote: Okay: 329 - Glow_In_Dark_Trans - #F5F3D7 - Edge #B5B49F - Alpha 250 - Luminance 15

w.

"Glow_In_Dark_Trans" is already used as the name on CODE 294
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(2016-12-02, 21:59)Magnus Forsberg Wrote:
(2016-12-02, 7:46)Willy Tschager Wrote: Okay: 329 - Glow_In_Dark_Trans - #F5F3D7 - Edge #B5B49F - Alpha 250 - Luminance 15

w.

"Glow_In_Dark_Trans" is already used as the name on CODE 294

Copy'n'Paste error:

329 - Glow_In_Dark_White - #F5F3D7 - Edge #B5B49F - Alpha 250 - Luminance 15


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[Image: 4200397.jpg]
ICON: DAISY, SMALL - POLISHED

My own Data
Lego ID: 231
Lego Name: TR. FL. YEL ORA
MY guessed name: Transparent Flame Yellowish Orange

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: 231
Ldraw Name: na
Lego Name: Tr. Flame Yellowish Orange
RGB: #F2C89B

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 231
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego Name: Transparent Flame Yellowish Orange

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1017
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: 164
Lego Name: TR. FL. YEL ORA
Rebrickable Name: Trans Flame Yellowish Orange
RGB: #FCB76D

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 231
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Transparent Flame Yellowish Orange
RGB: #FCB76D

Here we have again a rare color. I could only find a few pieces with that color. The good thing is, that we have a free ldraw id. I think the name should be somehow Trans_Bright_Light_Orange, because we already have "Flame Yellowish Orange" which is "Bright_Light_Orange"


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Sorry Sven,

I totally forgot about it: I'm fine with your suggestion. Please use #bd8951 for the edge.

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(2016-12-13, 19:47)Willy Tschager Wrote: Sorry Sven,

I totally forgot about it: I'm fine with your suggestion. Please use #bd8951 for the edge.

w.

Hi Willy,

no problem. It takes some time, but I think we're making good progress. 

So long

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[Image: 6051842.jpg]
FIRE HELM "NO. 1000"

My own Data
Lego ID: 335
Lego Name: GOLD INK
MY guessed name: Gold Ink

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
No match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
Lego ID: na
Ldraw Name: Metallic Gold
Lego Name: Gold Ink
RGB: na

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 335
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego Name: Gold Ink

http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 1006
Ldraw ID: 82
Bricklink ID: 65
Lego Name: GOLD INK
Rebrickable Name: Metallic Gold
RGB: #DBAC34

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 335
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Gold Ink
RGB: #E4B863


I think here we've a small conflict to solve. The Ldraw ID 335 is already taken by "Sand_Red" which is not goldish at all. At the same time we have "Metallic Gold" which is Ldraw 82 and LEGO id 310. LEGO ID 310 is "Titanium Metallic" which is also not very goldish (http://mi-od-live-s.legocdn.com/media/br...613958.jpg)

Option 1: Map Lego ID 335 to Ldraw 82
Option 2: We use a new ldraw id and a new name. (I found 9 parts with this color)
Option 3: Clean up the confusion in the related colors (unlikely).

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Comparing:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@...240191831/

with:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@...226158525/

this looks more like chrome. We should therefore map it to 334 Chrome_Gold which would also be in sync with:

LEGO color: 336 | Silver Ink => Ldraw: 383 | Metalized Silver - VALUE #6D6E5C - EDGE #333333

(TAKE NOTE THAT METALIZED SILVER SHOULD ACTUALLY USE THE LEGACY NAME: CHROME_SILVER)

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Hmm. This is odd:

The timeline https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15801189140 maps 335 and 336 to chrome as well as metallic with 309 and 310 on the chrome side and 298 and 299 on the metallic side. The usual inconistencIes with LEGO colors over the years.

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Based on the picture from Ryan H. I would say it ought to be like this:

334 should be mapped to new code 300 - Metallic_Copper
335 should be mapped to 82 - Metallic_Gold
336 should be mapped to 80 - Metallic_Silver

It looks to me as a "flat" metallic paint. Not a mirrorlike chrome plated surface.

I don't understand why Ryan has placed a Chrome_Gold crown and a Chrome_Silver lightsabre next to the three painted parts.
Maybe to illustrate the confusion? Two different surfaces on the same code?
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(2016-12-19, 16:28)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: 334 should be mapped to new code 300 - Metallic_Copper
335 should be mapped to 82 - Metallic_Gold
336 should be mapped to 80 - Metallic_Silver
Agree, but we have to map 316 - Titanium Metallic to a different color as it clearly isn't 82 - Metallic_Gold.

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(2016-12-19, 16:28)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Based on the picture from Ryan H. I would say it ought to be like this:

334 should be mapped to new code 300 - Metallic_Copper
335 should be mapped to 82 - Metallic_Gold
336 should be mapped to 80 - Metallic_Silver

It looks to me as a "flat" metallic paint. Not a mirrorlike chrome plated surface.

I don't understand why Ryan has placed a Chrome_Gold crown and a Chrome_Silver lightsabre next to the three painted parts.
Maybe to illustrate the confusion? Two different surfaces on the same code?
That's because Lego has used "335 Gold Ink" to refer to both Chrome Gold and Metallic Gold coatings.  From what I've seen, Gold Ink is sort of a catch-all for any gold coating now. Same with 336 Silver Ink.
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I have updated the current LDConfig.ldr. I will ship it to Chris for the upcoming parts update in a few days. Colors that don't make into the current release will be added afterwards.

w.
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Have a look at the updated LDConfig.ldr file:


.ldr   LDConfig.ldr (Size: 27.9 KB / Downloads: 3)

w.

PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?
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(2016-12-28, 20:05)Willy Tschager Wrote: Have a look at the updated LDConfig.ldr file:
PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?
Looks good to me. Yes, I'll update visual config as soon as I can find again the needed scripts and see if/how they run on my reinstalled machine...
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please find attached the previous version.
maybe that file should be made available for download at that ldraw.org documentation page?


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(2016-12-29, 9:46)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
(2016-12-28, 20:05)Willy Tschager Wrote: Have a look at the updated LDConfig.ldr file:
PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?
Looks good to me. Yes, I'll update visual config as soon as I can find again the needed scripts and see if/how they run on my reinstalled machine...

I have updated the Colour Chart section.
Chris (LDraw Parts Library Admin)
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Quote:PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?

It seems I am not allowed to edit this page...

The various images are here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...figalt.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...onfigw.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...igwalt.png
The mpd is here http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.mpd
and the folder itself here
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=567609
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(2017-01-03, 15:36)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
Quote:PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?

It seems I am not allowed to edit this page...

The various images are here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...figalt.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...onfigw.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...igwalt.png
The mpd is here http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.mpd
and the folder itself here
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=567609

Happy new year to all of you.

I'm back from christmas vacation and we can start over, where we stopped last year. Are there any latest results I've to add to the initial post?

So Long

Sven
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(2017-01-03, 15:36)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: The various images are here:

How come the main (16) and edge (24) colours looks wrong in your pictures? I think there might be something wrong in your script.

(2017-01-03, 17:02)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Are there any latest results I've to add to the initial post?

Yes. We must find a different name for Medium_Violet. It's already used in the old file.
Se also my response, and suggestion, below.
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Quote:How come the main (16) and edge (24) colours looks wrong in your pictures? I think there might be something wrong in your script.
I'll check... It's a by product of the mpd structure. Each brick position contains a brick in its own color, and a text in main color, allowing to have text in black for white background and white for black background. So "main color" brick inherits text color! I'll try to improve this...
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(2017-01-03, 17:57)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
Quote:How come the main (16) and edge (24) colours looks wrong in your pictures? I think there might be something wrong in your script.
I'll check... It's a by product of the mpd structure. Each brick position contains a brick in its own color, and a text in main color, allowing to have text in black for white background and white for black background. So "main color" brick inherits text color! I'll try to improve this...

Finally I let it as is: color 24 was not rendered correctly anyway. And 16/24 are not really colors...
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(2017-01-03, 17:02)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Happy new year to all of you.

I'm back from christmas vacation and we can start over, where we stopped last year. Are there any latest results I've to add to the initial post?

So Long

Sven

Check out the LDConfig.ldr for the mapped 334, 335, 336.

w.
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(2017-01-04, 16:52)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2017-01-03, 17:02)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Happy new year to all of you.

I'm back from christmas vacation and we can start over, where we stopped last year. Are there any latest results I've to add to the initial post?

So Long

Sven

Check out the LDConfig.ldr for the mapped 334, 335, 336.

w.

I've seen the mappings. 335 would be our next color to address. Shall I add the mapping to the inital post?

So Long

Sven
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(2017-01-03, 15:36)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
Quote:PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?

It seems I am not allowed to edit this page...

The various images are here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...figalt.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...onfigw.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...igwalt.png
The mpd is here http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.mpd
and the folder itself here
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=567609

I'm busy with the AIOI. Cannot help. Max!

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-01-04, 16:53)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2017-01-03, 15:36)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: It seems I am not allowed to edit this page...

The various images are here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...figalt.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...onfigw.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...igwalt.png
The mpd is here http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.mpd
and the folder itself here
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=567609

I'm busy with the AIOI. Cannot help. Max!

w.

I changed Article 547 to the new visalldconfig.png and changed the link to Philo's brickshelf folder...

/Max
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-01-03, 15:36)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
Quote:PS. Philo could you please update the visual config http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html once the update is out?

It seems I am not allowed to edit this page...

The various images are here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...figalt.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...onfigw.png
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...igwalt.png
The mpd is here http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Philo/...config.mpd
and the folder itself here
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=567609
Should be a simple permissions issue. I'll look into it today or tomorrow.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Shall we proceed with the next color?
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-01-12, 18:12)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Shall we proceed with the next color?
Ready when you are.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Next one


Currently no images, because "Parts and Pieces" search is offline until February Sad

My own Data
Lego ID: 184
Lego Name: MET. BR. RED
MY guessed name: : Metallic Bright Red

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
LEGO ID: 147 (Metallic Bright Red) Seems like a mismatch, 147 is "Metallic Sand Yellow"
Ldraw ID: 63
Ldraw Name: Chrome_Pink
RGB: #AA4D8E

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=Us...ison_Chart
Lego ID: 184
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Ldraw Name: Red
Lego Name: Metallic Bright Red
RGB: #D60026

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 184
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego Name: Metallic Bright Red


http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 184
Ldraw ID: 4
Bricklink ID: 5
Lego Name: MET. BR. RED.
Rebrickable Name: Reddish Lilac
RGB: #C91A09

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 184
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Metallic Bright Red
RGB: #D60026

This is a tough one. We kind of have an issue with the already existing ldraw id 63. It is stated that ldraw id belongs to LEGO id 147. And LEGO 147 is mentioned as "Metallic Bright Red". From my investigations I'm pretty sure that 147 should be Metallic Sand Yellow, which can also be found multiple times in the  Ldraw color list "http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html".
The good thing is, that 184 is still available as Ldraw ID. Therefore we could fix this.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
What I propose is creating 2 new colors:

184 - Metallic Bright Red - #D60026
147- Metallic Sand Yellow - #83724F

and:

leave 63 Chrome_Pink as legacy with no match https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@...otostream/

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-01-31, 20:09)Willy Tschager Wrote: What I propose is creating 2 new colors:

184 - Metallic Bright Red - #D60026
147- Metallic Sand Yellow - #83724F

and:

leave 63 Chrome_Pink as legacy with no match https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@...otostream/

w.

Ok, thank you. I did as you suggested.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-02-07, 13:14)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:
(2017-01-31, 20:09)Willy Tschager Wrote: What I propose is creating 2 new colors:

184 - Metallic Bright Red - #D60026
147- Metallic Sand Yellow - #83724F

and:

leave 63 Chrome_Pink as legacy with no match https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@...otostream/

w.

Ok, thank you. I did as you suggested.

So Long

Sven

Don't forget to add a not for 147 and 63 to your list.

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-02-07, 13:14)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:
(2017-01-31, 20:09)Willy Tschager Wrote: What I propose is creating 2 new colors:

184 - Metallic Bright Red - #D60026
147- Metallic Sand Yellow - #83724F

and:

leave 63 Chrome_Pink as legacy with no match https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@...otostream/

w.

Ok, thank you. I did as you suggested.

So Long

Sven

Don't forget to add a not for 147 and 63 to your list ... hang on ... 147 - Metallic Sand Yellow is already mapped to 178 - Flat Dark Gold and it is better to leave it as it is.

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need to resolve duplicate color problem
Hi,

are you aware of the color clash created by update 2016-01 ?

This problem still needs resolution...:

Quote:0                              // LEGOID 219 - Lilac
0 !COLOUR Medium_Violet                                         CODE 219   VALUE #564E9D   EDGE #333333


0                              // LEGOID 112 - Medium Bluish Violet
0 !COLOUR Medium_Violet                                         CODE 112   VALUE #6874CA   EDGE #333333
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RE: need to resolve duplicate color problem
(2017-02-02, 23:06)Steffen Wrote: Hi,

are you aware of the color clash created by update 2016-01 ?

No, but I'll look into it.

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RE: need to resolve duplicate color problem
(2017-02-03, 9:22)Willy Tschager Wrote:
(2017-02-02, 23:06)Steffen Wrote: Hi,

are you aware of the color clash created by update 2016-01 ?

No, but I'll look into it.

w.
So looks like you missed it... https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-21969-po...l#pid24272
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RE: need to resolve duplicate color problem
(2017-02-03, 10:25)Philippe Hurbain Wrote:
(2017-02-03, 9:22)Willy Tschager Wrote: No, but I'll look into it.

w.
So looks like you missed it... https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-21969-po...l#pid24272

To sort out all this Violet-Purple-Lilac mismatch I propose to stick to the LEGO nomenclature and rename all the colors linked to "Lilac" actually "Lilac" such as:

197 - Bright Reddish Lilac
218 - Reddish Lilac
219 - Lilac
268 - Medium Lilac
...

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RE: need to resolve duplicate color problem
is this issue resolved now?
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RE: need to resolve duplicate color problem
(2017-03-21, 15:26)Steffen Wrote: is this issue resolved now?

With renaming the colors to Licac it will be.

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Next one

[Image: 4191680.jpg]
Bion. Foot

My own Data
Lego ID: 186
Lego Name: MET. DK. GREEN
MY guessed name: : Metallic Dark Green

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
LEGO ID: 147 (Metallic Dark Green) Seems like a mismatch, 147 is used "Metallic Sand Yellow"
Ldraw ID: 63
Ldraw Name: Chrome_Green
RGB: #3CB371

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=Us...ison_Chart
Lego ID: 186
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Ldraw Name: Green
Lego Name: Metallic Bright Red
RGB: #008E3C

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 186
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego Name: Metallic Dark Green


http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 186
Ldraw ID: 2
Bricklink ID: 6
Lego Name: MET. BR. RED.
Rebrickable Name: Green
RGB: #237841

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 186
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Metallic  Green
RGB: #008E3C


This one is also somehow confusing. It seems like there is already a matching color (Ldraw 63), but it points like the color before to LegoID 147. Shall we just map LegoID 186 to Ldraw 62?

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
No, we strip whatever is mapped from 62 and leave "Chrome green" without a match. Create a new entry for 186.

We have two 147 so there must be a mistake.

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-02-07, 17:00)Willy Tschager Wrote: No, we strip whatever is mapped from 62 and leave "Chrome green" without a match. Create a new entry for 186.

We have two 147 so there must be a mistake.

w.

So this should be the entry for 186?


LEGO color: 186 | Metallic Dark Green => Ldraw: 186 | Chrome_Green - VALUE #3CB371 - EDGE #007735

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
No.

LDraw: 62 | Chrome_Green - VALUE #3CB371 - EDGE #007735 - Material CHROME
LEGO color: 186 | Metallic Dark Green => LDraw: 186 | Metallic_Dark_Green - VALUE #008E3C - EDGE #333333 - Material PEARLESCENT

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Photo 
Last one

[Image: 4240179.jpg]
Comb 2x2 with 4 holes

My own Data
Lego ID: 284
Lego Name: Tr. Red-Lilac
MY guessed name: Transparent Reddish Lilac

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
no match found

http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=Us...ison_Chart
Lego ID: 284
Bricklink id: na
Bricklink Name: na
Ldraw Name: na
Lego Name: Tr Reddish Lilac
RGB: #E1D7E1

http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
no match found

http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566
Lego ID: 284
Bricklink id: 114
Bricklink Name: Trans Light Purple
Lego Name: Transparent Reddish Lilac


http://rebrickable.com/colors
Lego ID: 284
Ldraw ID: 44
Bricklink ID: 114
Lego Name: TR. RED-LILAC
Rebrickable Name: Trans-Light Purple
RGB: #96709F

http://swooshable.com/parts/colors
Lego ID: 284
Ldraw ID: na
Bricklink ID: na
Bricklink Name: na
Lego name: Transparent Reddish Lilac
RGB: #E0D0E5


Well, this is the last one for now. We have a free LDraw ID and no known mismatch with other colors. There are three possible RGB values. Therefore we can choose which one fits the most.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Any update on this one?
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-03-01, 8:40)Merlijn Wissink Wrote: Any update on this one?

At least not from my side ;(
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Sorry for the delay. Use the rebrickable color which is closer to what I measured with PS and 59425e for the edge.

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Finally I think we're done. Thank you very much for the support. I still have about 60 unknown colors in the background, but they are all so called "Multicombination" colors and I think they are a little bit hard to track down.

So Long

Sven
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Hi,

I have added the missing colors and tried to fix the purple/violet mismatch by renaming some LDraw colors "Lilac". Furthermore I added blanks after the slashes in the LEGO names. Please check:


.ldr   LDConfig.ldr (Size: 28.45 KB / Downloads: 7)

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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
Does this color exist in LDraw? If not, would it even be necessary to add it?
Lego ID: 220
Lego Name: Light Lilac

Here's a tiny bit of information on Brickset.
It seems to be a pretty rare color.
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RE: Missing Ldraw Colors
(2017-06-06, 20:22)Merlijn Wissink Wrote: Does this color exist in LDraw? If not, would it even be necessary to add it?
Lego ID: 220
Lego Name: Light Lilac

Here's a tiny bit of information on Brickset.
It seems to be a pretty rare color.

The only thing I know is:

LEGO ID: 220
LEGO Name: Lgh. Lilac

I haven't found a single part which uses this color, but my check is from several month ago.

So Long 

Sven
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