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Missing Ldraw Colors - Sven v. Beuningen - 2016-09-04

Hi Folks,

I want to render parts for a huge amount of models. Therefore I scanned over a lot of available part lists form TLG and came across some colors, where I couldn't find an equivalent in LDconfig.ldr. Is there any chance that we can add the missing colors, so that we can render parts whith these colors?
I found the ID which is used by TLG and the official names for the color. I also have some RGB values if this would help, but these are not official ones and may be wrong.
  • LEGO color: 296 | Cool Silver => Ldraw  135 | Pearl Light Grey
  • LEGO color: 131 | Silver => Ldraw: 135 | Pearl Light Grey
  • LEGO color: 315 | Silver Metallic => Ldraw: 135 | Pearl Light Grey
  • LEGO color: 302 | Transparent Light Blue with Glitter 2% => Ldraw: 302 | Glitter_Trans_Light_Blue - VALUE #AEE9EF - EDGE #72B3B0 - MATERIAL GLITTER VALUE #923978 FRACTION 0.17 VFRACTION 0.2 SIZE 1
  • LEGO color: 339 | Transparent Fluorescent Green with Glitter 2% => Ldraw: 339 | Glitter_Trans_Neon_Green - VALUE #C0FF00 - EDGE #84C300 - MATERIAL GLITTER VALUE #923978 FRACTION 0.17 VFRACTION 0.2 SIZE 1
  • LEGO color: 285 | Transparent Light Green => Ldraw: 285 | Trans_Light_Green - VALUE #7DC291 - EDGE #52805F
  • LEGO color: 218 | Reddish Lilac => Ldraw: 218 | Medium Purple - VALUE #8E5597 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 234 | Transparent Fire Yellow => Ldraw: 218 | Trans_Fire_Yellow VALUE #FBE890 - EDGE #baab6a
  • LEGO color: 295 | Flamingo Pink => Ldraw: 295 | Flamingo Pink - VALUE #FF94C2 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 219 | Lilac => Ldraw: 219 | Medium Violet - VALUE #564E9D - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 336 | Silver Ink => Ldraw: 383 | Metalized Silver - VALUE #6D6E5C - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 293 | Transparent Light Royal Blue => Ldraw: 293 | Trans_Light_Blue_Violet - VALUE #6BABE4 - EDGE #4d7ba3
  • LEGO color: 227 | Transparent Bright Yellowish Green => Ldraw: 35 | Trans_Bright_Green - VALUE #56E646 - EDGE #9DA86B
  • LEGO color: 128 | Dark Nougat => Ldraw: 128 | Dark_Nougat - VALUE #AD6140 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 300 | Copper Drum Lacq =>Ldraw: 300 | Metallic_Copper - VALUE #C27F53 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 189 | Reddish Gold => Ldraw: 189 | Reddish_Gold - VALUE #AC8247 - EDGE #333333 PEARLESCENT
  • LEGO color: 329 | White Glow=> Ldraw: 329 | Glow_In_Dark_White - VALUE #F5F3D7 - EDGE #B5B49F - ALPHA 250 - Luminance 15
  • LEGO color: 231 | Transparent Flame Yellowish Orange => Ldraw: 231 | Tans_Bright_Light_Orange - VALUE #FCB76D - EDGE #BD8951
  • LEGO color: 335 | Gold Ink => Ldraw: 82 | Metallic_Gold - VALUE #DBAC34 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: 184 | Metallic Bright Red => Ldraw: 184 | Metallic_Bright_Red - VALUE #D60026 - EDGE #333333
  • LEGO color: none                                    Ldraw: 63 | Chrome_Pink - VALUE #AA4D8E - EDGE #6E1152 CHROME
  • LEGO color: 186 | Metallic Dark Green => LDraw: 186 | Metallic_Dark_Green - VALUE #008E3C - EDGE #333333 - Material Metal
  • LEGO color: 284 | Transparent Reddish Lilac => LDraw: 284 | Trans_Light_Purple - Value #C281A5 - EDGE #82566E 

So Long

Sven


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Willy Tschager - 2016-09-05

Hi Sven,

just out of interest (I was on the committee trying to harmonize all the LDraw, LEGO, BL, names and numbers and it gave me a very hard time) where do these numbers and names come from? Did you match them against:

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=91641
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566

and:

http://brickset.com/colours

w.


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Merlijn Wissink - 2016-09-05

Don't forget this extensive table: http://rebrickable.com/colors


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Sven v. Beuningen - 2016-09-05

(2016-09-05, 8:47)Willy Tschager Wrote: Hi Sven,

just out of interest (I was on the committee trying to harmonize all the LDraw, LEGO, BL, names and numbers and it gave me a very hard time) where do these numbers and names come from? Did you match them against:

http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.html
http://wiki.ldraw.org/index.php?title=User:Owen_Burgoyne/LDraw_Colour_Comparison_Chart
http://www.peeron.com/inv/colors
http://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=91641
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=868566

and:

http://brickset.com/colours

w.

Hi Willy,

I think I found the right guy for my request Big Grin. These numbers and names are not matched against the mentioned tables. The reason for this is, that I wanted to use the official ids and names from TLG for my purpose. I know that there are a lot of different names and IDs out there and I also used some of them, but I'm trying to use only the official TLG data. 
To do this I scanned over a huge amount of part lists directly from the LEGO page. With this I was not able to get the ids of the colors, but short names like "TR.L.BLUE" (Transparent Light Blue). Therefore the names I picked are only good guesses. To match these short names against the lego IDs I was able to use one of the "pick a brick" pages to tell me the secret of the corresponding ids. 
Whith this method I was able to get a list from Id 0 to Id 999 for all colors. I filtered out all ids which aren't used in any of the part lists and the mentioned colors in my initial post are the ones, which I couldn't map to the ldraw colors.

If it will help, I can give you the complete list with all the ids and names, which I've got. 
From all color tables I've found, this was the most reliable information which I found so far.

So Long 

Sven


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Willy Tschager - 2016-09-05

Hi Sven,

(2016-09-05, 9:28)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: These numbers and names are not matched against the mentioned tables. The reason for this is, that I wanted to use the official ids and names from TLG for my purpose. I know that there are a lot of different names and IDs out there and I also used some of them, but I'm trying to use only the official TLG data.

When we updated the color table seven years ago one of the most debated topics was if we should switch to the official TLG data and overwrite our color numbers and names or not. The final approach was to stick to our legacy an keep backwards compatible (you surely know that we had already defined tons of colors before LEGO started sharing its shadow colors back in 2003) and use the LEGO data only for those colors which were not part of the LDConfig file.



(2016-09-05, 9:28)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote:  
To do this I scanned over a huge amount of part lists directly from the LEGO page. With this I was not able to get the ids of the colors, but short names like "TR.L.BLUE" (Transparent Light Blue). Therefore the names I picked are only good guesses. To match these short names against the lego IDs I was able to use one of the "pick a brick" pages to tell me the secret of the corresponding ids. 
Whith this method I was able to get a list from Id 0 to Id 999 for all colors. I filtered out all ids which aren't used in any of the part lists and the mentioned colors in my initial post are the ones, which I couldn't map to the ldraw colors.

Please consider Scott's post, who was also on board of the color committee:

http://news.lugnet.com/cad/dev/org/ldraw/?n=4613

It would make no sense adding colors which might have no matching color in real life. If you find colors which are actually missing in the LDConfig but cannot be found in a set I'm happy to add them to the chart.

w.


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Sven v. Beuningen - 2016-09-05

Hi Willy,

it's perfectly fine to stick with the color definitions which we currently have. Especially for backward compatibility. I just have the problem, that I wasn't able to find mappings from the official TLG IDs to ldraw color IDs (http://www.ldraw.org/article/547.htmlfor some colors. 

Maybe some of my findings are also covered in the ldraw overview, but I wasn't able to match them to ldraw IDs. So I could need some help here. In addition I think that some colors are not covered at all. Therefore I hope that we can add them. 

I assume that the mentioned colors from my list do exist in real life, because they are used in part lists which I've got from TLG-Service page (https://wwwsecure.us.lego.com/de-de/service/replacementparts)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they only add parts in the lists which they use for real life bricks.

I didn't add the colors which aren't used right now to the list, because I also think that this doesn't make sense.


Unfortunately I don't have any RGB information about the colors, but I can provide at least one brick (TLG Item No) per color to identify the brick, if this would help somehow.


So Long

Sven


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Willy Tschager - 2016-09-05

Hi Sven,

again I'm happy to add those colors, but you have to show more evidence, that these colors are actually missing. In short the workload is on you ;-) I therefore propose that you take one color from your list at the time, crosscheck it with the tables mentioned above and post links to LEGO, BL, Brickset, your own pics, ... in short all available sources. We'll see if we can get the RGBs for the shadow colors from the LEGO Community Team once the colors are confirmed.

w.


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Sven v. Beuningen - 2016-09-05

Hi Willy,

I did some homework and found some information about the mentioned colors in the links you provieded. Lets start with the first one.




[Image: 4275396.jpg]
GROOVE TUBE 120MM (SILV.MET.)

My own Data
Lego ID: 296
Lego Name: C.SILVER
MY guessed name: Cool Silver

No match found

No match found

No match found

Lego ID: 296
BL ID: 131
Lego Name: Cool Silver
BL Name: Not available

Lego ID: 1003
Ldraw ID: 80
Bricklink ID: 67
Lego Name: C.SILVER
Rebrickable Name: Metallic Silver
RGB: #A5A9B4

In this case only rebrickable does provide some useful information. I'm perfectly fine with using Ldraw color 80 (Silver Metallic), but it would be cool to have an official mapping inside ldraw config if this also fits for you. 

I can provide these kind of information for the other colors aswell, if you like to proceed like this.

So Long

Sven 



RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Magnus Forsberg - 2016-09-05

Hello Sven

(2016-09-05, 19:48)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: Hi Willy,

I did some homework and found some information about the mentioned colors in the links you provieded. Lets start with the first one.
[Image: 4275396.jpg]

GROOVE TUBE 120MM (SILV.MET.)

My own Data
Lego ID: 296
Lego Name: C.SILVER
MY guessed name: Cool Silver


... but there is a match at Brickset:
http://brickset.com/parts/colour-Cool-Silver

[Image: 296.jpg]

We call that colour Pearl Light Grey, LDraw Code 135
I don't know why it is matched to lego id 179 in ldconfig.ldr. Maybe Willy knows?

You picked an interesting example, Sven. My personal opinion is that the connection in ldconfig.ldr between lego id 179 and ldraw code 135 is not correct. IMO, the best tool for comparing lego colours is found at Swooshable. Use the excellent tool Colourschemer for visual help.
All the pictures have been made by Ryan Howerter and is also used at Brickset.

Both colours, lego id 179 Silver flip/flop and lego id 296 Cool silver, were only in production for a year each, 2002 and 2006 and they have been replaced by lego id 131 Silver and lego id 315 Silver metallic. Ryan H. has also put together a timeline of all colours.

I haven't looked at the rest of your list of missing colour, but we are missing one colour, lego id 300 Copper, Drum lacq, in ldconfig.ldr.
Could we please have that one added to ldconfig.ldr?

btw.
Please don't misstake lego id 315 Silver metallic with ldraw code 80 Silver metallic. The ldraw Metallic colour codes should only be used in printed patterns and painted parts. Scratch the surface and the paint will go away.


RE: Missing Ldraw Colors - Willy Tschager - 2016-09-06

(2016-09-05, 19:48)Sven v. Beuningen Wrote: I can provide these kind of information for the other colors aswell, if you like to proceed like this.

This is what I'm looking for, with the chance of other people chipping in. Keep them coming but please wait 'til we have sorted out the color in question.

w.