Numbering of torso prints

[Evert-Jan Boer]

Any thoughts about numbering torso prints which have a variation in clear or printed backsides? Like the torso's for the Star Wars 20th anniversary minifigs, they are based on existing prints, but with a printed back. Can we re-use the numbering, or choose a different number instead?
For example, 973psy, can it be 973psyb?

[Orion Pobursky]

No. They're distinct prints. They should have a conforming number. The pXXX are for the CMF series only.

[Manfred Schaefer]

No. They're distinct prints. They should have a conforming number. The pXXX are for the CMF series only.

Hello,

How could this be realized if the torso 973psy now becomes an upper body 76382psy, which exists in different versions, e.g. different arms?
Could there be an extension of the numbering here? For example, psy1 and psy2.
How could a collision with the upper bodies of the CMF series be avoided?
I don't think completely different numbering makes sense, as the reference to the printing would be lost.
In another post, I suggested a solution with the extension cxx, which turned out to be impractical.

Regards

Manfred

[Philippe Hurbain]

I would still prefer a -n suffix when there are several torso shortcut, this keeps the link with naked torso number and remains 'future prof'

[Magnus Forsberg]

Could there be an extension of the numbering here? For example, psy1 and psy2.
How could a collision with the upper bodies of the CMF series be avoided?

We already have a situation where the numbering collide.

973pcXY and 973pdXY are assigned to the CMF series. X and Y stands for 0-9, a-z.
Any pattern beginning with 973pc_ or 973pd_ will be sorted next to the collectables.

Check out the Muppet torso assys.
973pdg1 - 973pdgc are made. Some of the complete torsos are also made.
But first when sorted is the standard part 973pdg.  Not part of the Muppet series.
 
There are many more examples, not so easy to detect, since not many of the CMF patterns are made.

Maybe there is an opening here?
A fourth token is possible, but not on 973pCxy and 973pDxy. I think psy1 and psy2 are possible.

What will happen when(if) LEGO continues the CMF series beyond series 35?

[Orion Pobursky]

I'm done with the convoluted rules of meaningful pattern codes and I'm especially done with adding even more complexity.

With the advent to description and keyword aware editors, the filename is fairly irrelevant to users.

[Magnus Forsberg]

I'm done with the convoluted rules of meaningful pattern codes and I'm especially done with adding even more complexity.

I started to write this as an explanation to why we can't use this numbering, and then realized it is possible, if we have an exception.
But you are right, a rule that forces us to have an exception in not a good rule.

[Manfred Schaefer]

Hello,

I think I understand the objections. But my concern is about maintaining the connection to the pattern.
Evert-Jan's post was about torsos that have the same front but different backs. I think that's a good idea, but it might cause too many restrictions or require too many control mechanisms.
Orion's statement that these are different patterns and that the torsos therefore have completely different numbering is clear to me.
I would like to see a connection between the torso and upper body with the same printing. However, since there are some torsos that have the same printing, but there are differences in the arms and / or the hands, an addition would make sense here. Philippe had written the suggestion -n. In my opinion, that would be a good approach. Only the torsos, which are available in different versions, receive this addition, whereby I understood n as a counter. I see the main advantage of this variance in the fact that no user-specific part has to be integrated into the assembly instructions when creating a parts list.
When creating the building instructions, I position the parts of the minifigure as I need them. And for the parts list or when displaying the parts used, I replace the arms, hands and torso 973pxy with the torso 76382pxy or 76382pxy-1 without searching for the right part for a long time.
On the subject of searching, I usually use the Bricklink reference. Keywords like Star Wars, Harry Potter, Knights, etc. have no relevance for me. A connection between the numbering of the patterns of LDraw and Bricklink is mostly possible via Rebrickable.

Greetings

Manfred