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**Michael Heidemann** · (This post was last modified: 2014-08-19, 4:54 by Chris Dee.)

It seems that there is a need for updating the naming scheme that Primgen2 uses for the primitives.
Here my suggestion:
x, y, z are values that will be substituted by primgen2 for the dimension of the part.
cylinder: x-ycyli.dat : always use cyli
disc: x-ydisc.dat : always use disc
ndisc: x-yndis.dat : always use ndis
chord: x-ychrd.dat : always use chrd
cone: x-yconz.dat : always use con
ring:x-yringz.dat : always use ring
circle: x-yedge.dat : always use edge

The length of the filename is not important anymore because I think we will not reach 25 characters.

If this should be common used, I am going to change Primgen2 quickly.

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-11, 17:28

I am inclined to agree. Would somebody have time to assess the scope of impact on existing official primitives (ldraw/p and ldraw/p/48)?

Thanks for bringing this up for discussion.

**Santeri Piippo** · 2014-08-11, 19:46

Analysis coming up. I can tell straight up, though, that changing 'rin' to 'ring' would be a massive change.

**Michael Heidemann** · 2014-08-11, 20:09

Yes, that is true. With LDFind I made a quick search for 'ring' and found:
Hi-Res Ring 40 x 0.2292 C:\ldraw\p\48\11-48r40.dat
Hi-Res Ring 42 x 0.0833 C:\ldraw\p\48\1-12ri42.dat
Ring 11 x 0.25 C:\ldraw\p\1-4rin11.dat
Ring 8 x 0.375 C:\ldraw\p\3-8ring8.dat

So for ring we have at least 'r', 'ri', 'rin' and 'ring' already in our library.

I believe that for the other primitives we will have similar results. So we need to solve this problem first.

I would go with:
Keep the already official files like they are. Introduce the new naming scheme quickly for new primitives.

**Santeri Piippo** · 2014-08-11, 20:31

Okay so, assuming we leave 'rin' files alone since there's just too many of those to even consider it IMO: I found 51 official primitives that would need renaming. A total of 25 part/subpart files would have to be updated accordingly:

List of primitives:

Code:
13-16chr.dat

48\11-24cyl.dat

48\11-24edg.dat

48\11-24r13.dat

48\11-24r52.dat

48\1-12co24.dat

48\1-12ri17.dat

48\1-12ri20.dat

48\1-12ri38.dat

48\1-12ri42.dat

48\1-12ri78.dat

48\11-48r19.dat

48\11-48r40.dat

48\1-16co11.dat

48\1-16co19.dat

48\1-16co20.dat

48\1-16co24.dat

48\1-16ri13.dat

48\1-16ri14.dat

48\1-16ri19.dat

48\1-16ri21.dat

48\1-16ri43.dat

48\1-24co10.dat

48\1-24co12.dat

48\1-24co14.dat

48\1-24co16.dat

48\1-24co24.dat

48\1-24ri11.dat

48\1-24ri19.dat

48\1-48ri43.dat

48\19-48edg.dat

48\2-4ri240.dat

48\3-16co19.dat

48\4-4ri100.dat

48\5-12ri13.dat

48\5-12ri14.dat

48\5-24co10.dat

48\5-24co12.dat

48\5-24co14.dat

48\5-24co16.dat

48\5-24ri10.dat

48\5-24ri17.dat

48\5-24ri18.dat

48\5-24ri20.dat

48\5-24ri24.dat

48\5-24ri28.dat

48\5-24ri29.dat

48\5-48co12.dat

48\5-48co29.dat

48\5-48ri32.dat

48\7-16ri16.dat

List of affected part files:

Code:
parts/2431pc0.dat

parts/2745.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat

parts/41667.dat

parts/43373.dat

parts/44224.dat

parts/4613.dat

parts/54715.dat

parts/59826ac01.dat

parts/6542a.dat

parts/84752.dat

parts/88492.dat

parts/88493.dat

parts/95188.dat

parts/99378.dat

parts/99551.dat

parts/s/10131s01.dat

parts/s/2431pt2b.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat

parts/s/30535s01.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat

parts/s/43373s01.dat

parts/s/61481s00.dat

parts/s/86500s01.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat

parts/u9166.dat

List of matches, sans duplicates (which parts referenced which primitives):

Code:
parts/2431pc0.dat:13-16chr.dat

parts/2745.dat:48\3-16co19.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\1-24co10.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\1-24co12.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\1-24co14.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\1-24co16.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\5-24co10.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\5-24co12.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\5-24co14.dat

parts/3942bp01.dat:48\5-24co16.dat

parts/41667.dat:48\11-48r19.dat

parts/41667.dat:48\11-48r19.dat

parts/41667.dat:48\11-48r40.dat

parts/41667.dat:48\11-48r40.dat

parts/43373.dat:48\5-24ri24.dat

parts/44224.dat:48\1-16ri13.dat

parts/44224.dat:48\1-16ri14.dat

parts/4613.dat:48\5-12ri13.dat

parts/4613.dat:48\5-12ri14.dat

parts/54715.dat:48\1-16ri21.dat

parts/59826ac01.dat:48\2-4ri240.dat

parts/6542a.dat:48\4-4ri100.dat

parts/84752.dat:48\1-24co16.dat

parts/88492.dat:48\1-24ri11.dat

parts/88493.dat:48\11-24cyl.dat

parts/88493.dat:48\11-24edg.dat

parts/95188.dat:48\5-24ri20.dat

parts/95188.dat:48\5-24ri28.dat

parts/95188.dat:48\5-24ri29.dat

parts/99378.dat:48\5-48co12.dat

parts/99551.dat:48\1-16ri13.dat

parts/99551.dat:48\5-24ri20.dat

parts/s/10131s01.dat:48\5-24ri10.dat

parts/s/2431pt2b.dat:48\5-48ri32.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\11-24cyl.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\11-24edg.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\11-24edg.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\11-24r13.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\11-24r52.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\19-48edg.dat

parts/s/2870s01.dat:48\7-16ri16.dat

parts/s/30535s01.dat:48\11-24edg.dat

parts/s/30535s01.dat:48\5-24ri17.dat

parts/s/30535s01.dat:48\5-24ri18.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat:48\1-12co24.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat:48\1-12ri17.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat:48\1-12ri20.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat:48\1-12ri20.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat:48\1-12ri42.dat

parts/s/3739a.dat:48\1-24co24.dat

parts/s/43373s01.dat:48\1-16co24.dat

parts/s/61481s00.dat:48\1-16co19.dat

parts/s/61481s00.dat:48\1-16co20.dat

parts/s/86500s01.dat:48\1-12ri38.dat

parts/s/86500s01.dat:48\1-12ri78.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat:48\1-16co11.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat:48\1-16co19.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat:48\1-16co20.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat:48\1-16ri19.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat:48\1-16ri43.dat

parts/s/99010s01.dat:48\5-48co29.dat

parts/u9166.dat:48\1-24ri19.dat

parts/u9166.dat:48\1-48ri43.dat

***Orion Pobursky*** · 2014-08-12, 5:23

Why don't we create MOVEDTOs? Then all new parts will use the new scheme and all old parts will be fine until updated

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-12, 5:27

That is actually not too bad. I can create the new files by renaming the existing ones, so please don't start submitting replacements.

I'd like to leave "~Moved to" files in place so that we don't have to fix all the official parts/subparts in one tranche. It is inevitable that when the parts get re-cycled through the Parts Tracker, someone will want to make improvements which could hold up the whole process.

**Travis Cobbs** · 2014-08-12, 16:50

Does the parts tracker already check for usage of "~Moved to" sub-parts and primitives in submitted parts and auto-generate a failure?

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-12, 18:39

No - not at present.

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-13, 20:48

All the "moves" have now been done on the Parts Tracker. I've not yet checked if there are any unofficial primitives that need renaming.

**Magnus Forsberg** · 2014-08-14, 16:33

I don't understand this.

Is it correct that all the hi-res prims are renumbered without a moved to-file?
Is it correct that all the hi-res prims should have both "Unofficial_48_Primitive" and a "UPDATE YYYY-XX" ?
Is it correct that the only normal resolution primitive should have a "Moved to-" file?

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-15, 17:30

Magnus Forsberg Wrote:Is it correct that all the hi-res prims are renumbered without a moved to-file?

No, the ~Moved to files are there e.g. http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cg...48ri32.dat, but the Name: line hasn't been updated correctly (I'll fix that).

Magnus Forsberg Wrote:Is it correct that all the hi-res prims should have both "Unofficial_48_Primitive" and a "UPDATE YYYY-XX" ?

No, that's a bug in the rename script (probably the first time it has been used on a p/48/ file)

Magnus Forsberg Wrote:Is it correct that the only normal resolution primitive should have a "Moved to-" file?

Not sure what you mean. Can you point to an example?

**Michael Heidemann** · 2014-08-15, 19:40

Ok, it seems I have to update PrimGen2 immediately.

Before I upload it I like someone to test it. Who likes to test the new version??

Edit:
The new version is already online. Please see this post.

**Magnus Forsberg** · 2014-08-16, 10:50

OK, thanks.
When I wrote this none of the hi-res had a move to-file. They do now.

Mike found this strange file, and I found that the only file that got a moved to-file was this one.
It still has an incorrect header. Could you please fix that one too?

**Michael Heidemann** · 2014-08-16, 15:05

As fas as I can see both files are now fine.

**Magnus Forsberg** · 2014-08-17, 21:56

I think I've found some more files.

Official files
p\1-16ri19.dat
p\3-16ri11.dat
p\3-16ri12.dat
p\3-16ri13.dat
p\3-16ri14.dat
p\5-16ri12.dat

p\48\19-48chr.dat

Unofficial files
p\1-16ri11.dat
p\1-16ri22.dat
p\1-16ri57.dat
p\3-16ri10.dat
p\3-16ri15.dat
p\3-16ri19.dat
p\3-16ri22.dat
p\4-4ri101.dat

p\48\4-4cone25.dat
p\48\4-4cone52.dat

and one of the files p\13-16cyl.dat or p\13-16cyli.dat should be deleted/renumbered
and p\11-16cyl.dat should be renumbered

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-18, 7:09

Thanks - done.

**Magnus Forsberg** · 2014-08-18, 17:31

I've found another two files that IMO should not be renumbered.

Unofficial
p\48\1-4cone12.dat
p\48\1-6cone1.dat

Michael Heidemann Wrote:cone: x-yconz.dat : always use con

Please change them back to 1-4con12.dat and 1-6con1.dat

**Chris Dee** · 2014-08-19, 4:54

That's done.

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