Part 93094

[N. W. Perry]

…needs to exist in an uncoloured version, e.g. for set 21033. Easy enough to make, but what's the right procedure/numbering/naming for it? (And is it still a shortcut, or is now just a part since there's no hard-colored portion?)


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[Magnus Forsberg]

…needs to exist in an uncoloured version, e.g. for set 21033. Easy enough to make, but what's the right procedure/numbering/naming for it? (And is it still a shortcut, or is now just a part since there's no hard-colored portion?)

There's part at PT, but it needs to be sorted out
https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c...866c03.dat

[N. W. Perry]

There's part at PT, but it needs to be sorted out
https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c...866c03.dat

Oh, so there is…then there's a mismatch of the base number as well. There's also an official 25866c02 that has the handle hard-colored white.

It looks like the only official uses of the part so far are all black, all white, and light bley with a pink tip. It makes sense to me then that there ought to be an uncolored version, and a patterned version where the tip is hard-colored (rather than the base).

[Magnus Forsberg]

It makes sense to me then that there ought to be an uncolored version, and a patterned version where the tip is hard-colored (rather than the base).

No, a hard-coloured grey handle is better. There's at least 4 different red/pink shades already.
https://brickset.com/parts?query=LIPSTICK

We really only need two variants, one with a grey handle and one with an uncoloured handle.
But since we have released a variant with a white handle, I suggest that we also create one with a black handle.

And to be consistant to on how we usually number "patterned" parts, I suggest that we should do it like this:
25866, totally uncoloured
25866p01, with grey handle
25866p02, with white handle
25866p03, with black handle

Keep 93094 as it is (hardcoded grey handle). It was only used in two sets in 2012-2013 with a grey handle. (Moving 93094 to 93094p01 and creating 93094a (as uncoloured) would make sence, but I fail to see the benefit of doing it. It will only add to the clutter.)
Move the content of 25866c01(93094) to p01, and 25866c02 to p02.

[N. W. Perry]

No, a hard-coloured grey handle is better. There's at least 4 different red/pink shades already.
https://brickset.com/parts?query=LIPSTICK

We really only need two variants, one with a grey handle and one with an uncoloured handle.

Grey handle, then. But the crux, I agree, is that only the two variants are really necessary.

[Vincent Messenet]

No, a hard-coloured grey handle is better. There's at least 4 different red/pink shades already.
https://brickset.com/parts?query=LIPSTICK

We really only need two variants, one with a grey handle and one with an uncoloured handle.
But since we have released a variant with a white handle, I suggest that we also create one with a black handle.

And to be consistant to on how we usually number "patterned" parts, I suggest that we should do it like this:
25866, totally uncoloured
25866p01, with grey handle
25866p02, with white handle
25866p03, with black handle

Keep 93094 as it is (hardcoded grey handle). It was only used in two sets in 2012-2013 with a grey handle. (Moving 93094 to 93094p01 and creating 93094a (as uncoloured) would make sence, but I fail to see the benefit of doing it. It will only add to the clutter.)
Move the content of 25866c01(93094) to p01, and 25866c02 to p02.

There was another thread about this where I also did suggestions: https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-23173.ht...t=25866c02

[Magnus Forsberg]

There was another thread about this where I also did suggestions: https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-23173.ht...t=25866c02

I could agree to your option 2.
(The issue felt strangely familiar when I wrote my post....)

[N. W. Perry]

There was another thread about this where I also did suggestions: https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-23173.ht...t=25866c02

Clearly, I did not do sufficient research before posing this question.  (But, since it seems to be an open issue in need of resolution, I suppose it works out for good.)

I would likewise support your option 2. When this element is used as a solid color, it functions just as a single part, not a shortcut of two parts. I would, of course, also add that the description of 25866c03 (proposed 25866) needs to be corrected to reflect that it's uncolored, not white-handled. (Now that I can see how the conversation went, I can tell that was merely an oversight.)

[Magnus Forsberg]

This issue is now hopefully rectified.

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