Description of part 33909


Description of part 33909
#1
Hi all,

Why do we call part 33909 "Tile 2x2 with studs on edge", while LEGO calls this a Plate 2x2 (with reduced knobs).
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Same goes for 92593 which we do call a Plate (1x4 with two studs) and so does LEGO (Plate 1X4 W. 2 Knobs).
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Shouldn't we describe 33909 as Plate too? I.g. "Plate 2x2 with Two studs on edge"?

Or change the description of 92593 to "Tile 1x4 with one stud on each edge" or something.

I always thought of 92593 more as a tile than a plate though... my 2 cts.

[edit] Same goes for 87580. More a tile than plate IMHO, though LEGO calls this a Plate too (2X2 W 1 Knob)
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What do you guys think?
I say we call 33909 a Plate too.

Jaco
Jaco van der Molen
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RE: Description of part 33909
#2
This ambivalence exists also for a lot more parts, such as 6180, 88646, 6178, 6205... We could homogeneize all of them to "Tile aa x bb with studs on yyy" and add a "plate" keyword, or "Plate aa x bb without studs on yyy" and add a "tile" keyword
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RE: Description of part 33909
#3
(2019-04-10, 7:23)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: This ambivalence exists also for a lot more parts, such as 6180, 88646, 6178, 6205... We could homogeneize all of them to "Tile aa x bb with studs on yyy" and add a "plate" keyword, or "Plate aa x bb without studs on yyy" and add a "tile" keyword

OK, sounds good. Call for vote wether we go for Plate or Tile?

More parts are indeed not so consistently described either, like the panels I mentioned earlier:
https://forums.ldraw.org/thread-23228.html
Jaco van der Molen
lpub.binarybricks.nl
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RE: Description of part 33909
#4
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Well ... that finally someone makes the topic ... that was overdue for years ... Jacob

In real life ..flooring, tiled walls etc.  ... a tile is a tile ... ergo: flat / even.
Even with only one knob ....it is not flat anymore ....and makes it a plate ....simple said.

Plate 2 x 2 with a Single Open Stud in Center...for Example
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RE: Description of part 33909
#5
(2019-04-10, 11:33)Ulrich Röder Wrote: Even with only one knob ....it is not flat anymore ....and makes it a plate ....simple said.
You have a point, Ulrich !
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RE: Description of part 33909
#6
+1


We already have:
3794b.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud
15573.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud, without Understud
34103.dat,  Plate  1 x  3 with  2 Studs Offset
92593.dat,  Plate  1 x  4 with Two Studs
18674.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 Round with  1 Centre Stud
87580.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud

Change:
24445.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with 1 Tall Centre Stud                ( Tile  1 x  2 with 1 Tall Centre Stud )
98549.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with Bar and Stud with Stop Ring  ( Tile 2 x  2 with Bar and Stud with Stop Ring )
33909.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with 2 Studs on Edge                   ( Tile 2 x  2 with Studs on Edge )
88646.dat,  Plate  3 x  4 with 4 Studs                                ( Tile 3 x  4 with Four Studs )
6179.dat,    Plate  4 x  4 with 4 Studs on Edge                   ( Tile 4 x  4 with Studs on Edge )
6180.dat,    Plate  4 x  6 with 12 Studs on Edges                ( Tile 4 x  6 with Studs on Edges )
4607.dat,    Plate  4 x 16 with 24 Studs                             ( Tile 4 x 16 with 24 Studs )
6178.dat,    Plate  6 x 12 with 16 Studs on Edges               (Tile  6 x 12 with Studs on Edges )


What parts have I missed?

What about:
6177.dat "Tile 8 x  8 Round with  2 x  2 Center Studs"?  Plate or Tile?
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RE: Description of part 33909
#8
(2019-04-10, 16:42)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: +1


We already have:
3794b.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud
15573.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud, without Understud
34103.dat,  Plate  1 x  3 with  2 Studs Offset
92593.dat,  Plate  1 x  4 with Two Studs
18674.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 Round with  1 Centre Stud
87580.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud

Change:
24445.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with 1 Tall Centre Stud                ( Tile  1 x  2 with 1 Tall Centre Stud )
98549.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with Bar and Stud with Stop Ring  ( Tile 2 x  2 with Bar and Stud with Stop Ring )
33909.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with 2 Studs on Edge                   ( Tile 2 x  2 with Studs on Edge )
88646.dat,  Plate  3 x  4 with 4 Studs                                ( Tile 3 x  4 with Four Studs )
6179.dat,    Plate  4 x  4 with 4 Studs on Edge                   ( Tile 4 x  4 with Studs on Edge )
6180.dat,    Plate  4 x  6 with 12 Studs on Edges                ( Tile 4 x  6 with Studs on Edges )
4607.dat,    Plate  4 x 16 with 24 Studs                             ( Tile 4 x 16 with 24 Studs )
6178.dat,    Plate  6 x 12 with 16 Studs on Edges               (Tile  6 x 12 with Studs on Edges )


What parts have I missed?

What about:
6177.dat "Tile 8 x  8 Round with  2 x  2 Center Studs"?  Plate or Tile?

I'll take a look at this list tomorrow and browse through what we now call tiles and see if these have one or more stud or any other thing that does not make ik flat (Like Ulrich so clearly pointed out).
Jaco van der Molen
lpub.binarybricks.nl
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RE: Description of part 33909
#10
(2019-04-10, 16:42)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: +1


We already have:
3794b.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud
15573.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud, without Understud
34103.dat,  Plate  1 x  3 with  2 Studs Offset
92593.dat,  Plate  1 x  4 with Two Studs
18674.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 Round with  1 Centre Stud
87580.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with Groove with 1 Centre Stud

Change:
24445.dat,  Plate  1 x  2 with 1 Tall Centre Stud                ( Tile  1 x  2 with 1 Tall Centre Stud )
98549.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with Bar and Stud with Stop Ring  ( Tile 2 x  2 with Bar and Stud with Stop Ring )
33909.dat,  Plate  2 x  2 with 2 Studs on Edge                   ( Tile 2 x  2 with Studs on Edge )
88646.dat,  Plate  3 x  4 with 4 Studs                                ( Tile 3 x  4 with Four Studs )
6179.dat,    Plate  4 x  4 with 4 Studs on Edge                   ( Tile 4 x  4 with Studs on Edge )
6180.dat,    Plate  4 x  6 with 12 Studs on Edges                ( Tile 4 x  6 with Studs on Edges )
4607.dat,    Plate  4 x 16 with 24 Studs                             ( Tile 4 x 16 with 24 Studs )
6178.dat,    Plate  6 x 12 with 16 Studs on Edges               (Tile  6 x 12 with Studs on Edges )


What parts have I missed?

What about:
6177.dat "Tile 8 x  8 Round with  2 x  2 Center Studs"?  Plate or Tile?

Ok, I think that about covers it.
We could look at all tiles that are not entirely flat, but that would leave "pure" tiles only described as tiles.
A.k.a. Tile 1x1, 1x2, 1x3, 1x4, 1x6, 1x8, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4
Jaco van der Molen
lpub.binarybricks.nl
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RE: Description of part 33909
#7
(2019-04-10, 11:33)Ulrich Röder Wrote: Well ... that finally someone makes the topic ... that was overdue for years ... Jacob

In real life ..flooring, tiled walls etc.  ... a tile is a tile ... ergo: flat / even.
Even with only one knob ....it is not flat anymore ....and makes it a plate ....simple said.

Plate 2 x 2 with a Single Open Stud in Center...for Example

LOL  Blush
Never thought about it this way, but you got me. Totally agreed.

If the tile has a stud, its a plate  Big Grin
Jaco van der Molen
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RE: Description of part 33909
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(2019-04-09, 19:35)Jaco van der Molen Wrote: What do you guys think?

I always considered all tiles to be a subset of plates. Meaning any tile is also a plate.

If you take this strictly the tile category shouldn't even exist by itself but only as a subcategory of plate.

So in a tree form you would have something like:

Code:
plates
  |- plain (all studs no clips etc)
  |- tiles (anything fully flat)
  |- hybrid (semi flat)
  |- hinges
  |- clips
  |- etc

I tried this approach in LDCad's sorted groups, but its still not fully as I would like it to be (too much stuff in the normal plates group)

my 2cts
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RE: Description of part 33909
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(2019-04-10, 20:35)Roland Melkert Wrote: I always considered all tiles to be a subset of plates. Meaning any tile is also a plate.

If you take this strictly the tile category shouldn't even exist by itself but only as a subcategory of plate.

So in a tree form you would have something like:

Code:
plates
 |- plain (all studs no clips etc)
 |- tiles (anything fully flat)
 |- hybrid (semi flat)
 |- hinges
 |- clips
 |- etc
Hmm, interesting aproach.
Same would go for bricks for instance?
Brick plain (1x1, 1x2, etc.) and modified with clips, studs on side, etc.
Jaco van der Molen
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