Parts to be renamed?


Parts to be renamed?
#1
Hi All,

I was looking for the 6 x 6 tile today (6881a/b) and was surprised to see it wasn't in the library. Or rather, after doing some sniffing, I discovered it wasn't a 'tile'. It was a 'Scala tile'.

This seems rather wrong to me and got me wondering if there weren't other parts with strange naming. Does anyone else know of any?

Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believed that part names should generally be descriptive of form and function, not of the line they appear in (aside from prints).

Tim

PS. Which isn't to single out the part authors. It is the name Peeron uses which are traditionally the source of LDraw parts. I simply think it is wrong for LDraw.
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#2
At first glance I would say it's named wrong indeed.

But looking at the header it says "0 !CATEGORY Tile". So this would only cause a 'problem' for software that categorizes on the first description word only.

It would still cause sorting issues though.
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#3
The sorting issue is really what I worry about. It probably even appears in my tiles list in MLCAD but not where it should. When we worry about the number of spaces for sorting, but leave a name wrong it's a bit inconsistent.

Tim
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#4
Neither of these parts 6881a and 6881b are on the official library yet.

Please remember the mantra of the Parts Tracker "These are unofficial parts. They may be incomplete, or inaccurate, and it is possible that when they are officially released they may be changed in ways that could mess up any model you use them in.". That still applies even though a part may be Certified, as these are.

You raise a good point about sorting, and one that we probably don't pay enough attention to. For this reason, I am minded to re-title these and add Scala as a KEYWORD.

I think it is good to raise general philosophical points on this forum, but I'd really prefer that comments on individual files on the Parts Tracker are posted there so that everyone who has contributed to their development or review is notified through the daily PT digest.

Part names should be descriptive of form and function, and for this reason, I think "Scala" still has a place as a CATEGORY for parts that use a Scala Stud. However, of the exsting 9 Scala parts in the official library not all do.

Code:
6923.dat:0 Scala Tile  8 x 20 x   2/3 Round Ends
6934.dat:0 Scala Tile  3 x  6
6940.dat:0 Scala Bed  8 x 24
6965.dat:0 Scala Table  7 x  7 x  1 & 1/3
6969.dat:0 Scala Towel Bar  1 x  5
33008.dat:0 Scala Flower Pot
33029.dat:0 Scala Plate  2 x  4
33062.dat:0 Scala Plate  4 x  4
33089.dat:0 Scala Support  4 x  4 x  5.667

I'll re-cycle the two existing "Scala Tiles" for header correction. Others could benefit from a re-examination.

Chris
Chris (LDraw Parts Library Admin)
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#8
Chris Dee Wrote:
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> Neither of these parts
> [url=http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?s=6
> 881a]6881a[/url] and
> [url=http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?s=6
> 881b]6881b[/url] are on the official library yet.

Whoops. This will teach me not to double check. I thought both were from the library. But the topic was meant to be more general and I'm sure I've found parts with incongruous naming in the official library.

> You raise a good point about sorting, and one that
> we probably don't pay enough attention to. For
> this reason, I am minded to re-title these and add
> Scala as a KEYWORD.

This sounds ideal.

> I think it is good to raise general philosophical
> points on this forum, but I'd really prefer that
> comments on individual files on the Parts Tracker
> are posted there so that everyone who has
> contributed to their development or review is
> notified through the daily PT digest.

Agreed. As mentioned I should have checked.

> Part names should be descriptive of form and
> function, and for this reason, I think "Scala"
> still has a place as a CATEGORY for parts that use
> a Scala Stud. However, of the exsting 9 Scala
> parts in the official library not all do.
>
>
Code:
>  6923.dat:0 Scala Tile  8 x 20 x   2/3 Round Ends
>  6934.dat:0 Scala Tile  3 x  6
>  6940.dat:0 Scala Bed  8 x 24
>  6965.dat:0 Scala Table  7 x  7 x  1 & 1/3
>  6969.dat:0 Scala Towel Bar  1 x  5
> 33008.dat:0 Scala Flower Pot
> 33029.dat:0 Scala Plate  2 x  4
> 33062.dat:0 Scala Plate  4 x  4
> 33089.dat:0 Scala Support  4 x  4 x  5.667
>
>
> I'll re-cycle the two existing "Scala Tiles" for
> header correction. Others could benefit from a
> re-examination.
>
> Chris
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Roland Melkert Wrote:
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> But looking at the header it says "0 !CATEGORY
> Tile". So this would only cause a 'problem' for
> software that categorizes on the first description
> word only.

Bricksmith still does this. I have not yet tackled any of the extra header meta-data.

Allen
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#5
Tim Gould Wrote:
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> This seems rather wrong to me and got me wondering
> if there weren't other parts with strange naming.
> Does anyone else know of any?

You, sir, just opened a can of worms you probably shouldn't have. I have a completely custom parts.lst for this reason (I don't change the names in the .dats, I simply change them here). The changes are both major and minor, drastic in some cases, insignificant in others.

One of my biggest complaints is are the "Wedge ..." parts. Most people tend to use MLCad, and it tends to categorize parts by first name. Especially things like Bricks and Plates, things which people are unlikely to change. I realize this is how both Peeron and Bricklink categorize them, but I've long thought them wrong for it as well. Take for example "Wedge Plate". Why on earth are these not categorized "Plate Wedge" instead, and most other wedges could be fit under Slope or Brick as well. In the case of the Wedge Plate, I'm sure most people would look for these under "Plate", but under MLCad's default settings and tree, you'll have to go to "Other Parts->W" and find them mixed with all the other wedges and various other W parts.

Also, "Rubbish Bin"? Are you f***ing kidding me?!? I have never heard anybody call that a "Rubbish Bin" in my entire freaking life. It's a Garbage Can.

And don't even get me started on "Tyre" and "Centre." A quick trip to www.dictionary.com will reveal their correct spellings. Sheesh, people. The "Tyre" one is especially egregious, as anybody searching for "Tire" under come up with 0 results and be led to the conclusion that no tires have been made.
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#6
Jude Wrote:
> Also,
> "Rubbish
> Bin"
? Are you f***ing kidding me?!? I have
> never heard anybody call that a "Rubbish Bin" in
> my entire freaking life. It's a Garbage Can.
>
> And don't even get me started on "Tyre" and
> "Centre." A quick trip to www.dictionary.com will
> reveal their
> c
> orrect

> [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Center
> ]spellings[/url]. Sheesh, people. The "Tyre" one
> is especially egregious, as anybody searching for
> "Tire" under come up with 0 results and be led to
> the conclusion that no tires have been made.

Despite your condescending tone, I'll give you a free pass because I'm a nice guy and I want a constructive conversation vice a flame war...

If you read the spec, it specifies Australian English spellings out of respect for James Jessiman who started and maintained the LDraw project until his untimely death. This is the reason for Tyre, Centre, and "Rubbish Bin". Yes, English words are spelled differently based on the region of the world you happen to be in. Hence, !COLOUR vice !COLOR.
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#10
> If you read the spec, it specifies Australian
> English spellings out of respect for James
> Jessiman who started and maintained the LDraw
> project until his untimely death. This is the
> reason for Tyre, Centre, and "Rubbish Bin". Yes,
> English words are spelled differently based on the
> region of the world you happen to be in. Hence,
> !COLOUR vice !COLOR.

And I can assure you each of those is spelled or named correctly.

There actually are parts that aren't (eg. 'grill' should be 'grille' in 50946px1) but I always felt that making a fuss about them would be silly. However since grille is used in most parts I'll raise the issue with Chris.

Tim
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> One of my biggest complaints is are the "Wedge
> ..." parts. Most people tend to use MLCad, and it
> tends to categorize parts by first name.
> Especially things like Bricks and Plates, things
> which people are unlikely to change. I realize
> this is how both Peeron and Bricklink categorize
> them, but I've long thought them wrong for it as
> well. Take for example
> [url=http://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catT
> ype=P&catString=583]"Wedge Plate"[/url]. Why on
> earth are these not categorized "Plate Wedge"
> instead, and most other wedges could be fit under
> Slope or Brick as well. In the case of the Wedge
> Plate, I'm sure most people would look for these
> under "Plate", but under MLCad's default settings
> and tree, you'll have to go to "Other Parts->W"
> and find them mixed with all the other wedges and
> various other W parts.

You can add a "Wedges and Wings" category like I have.

Actually this brings up a side issue: why are 43710 and its mirror 'slopes' while the combined version 6069 is a wedge?

I'm firmly of the opinion they should live together but not sure if they should be a wedge or a slope. Thoughts?

Tim
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