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23763 axl torso - Jeff Jones - 2025-06-02
i am asking this because i dont have part
sorry if worded weridly but on the unity mesh things like the 2 studs the neck stud and pinhole arent extactly in system????, they always have like a decimal consisting of at leats 3 numbers
is it like that on the real part?, should i simplify it or use the werid locations found on the mesh
RE: 23763 axl torso - Chris Böhnke - 2025-06-03
Official meshes sometimes (or often
) are like this. If it's too precise, simply round it off. Studs, Pins, etc. should all be remade to exactly fit the LDraw standards.What's more important is the position of said pins. Can you tell where their center is? Those should probably be "in system". Though for a figure part like this, there is some chance it might be off as well (but should be a somewhat "round" number as well).
RE: 23763 axl torso - Jeff Jones - 2025-06-03
(2025-06-03, 11:15)Chris Böhnke Wrote: Official meshes sometimes (or often
What's more important is the position of said pins. Can you tell where their center is? Those should probably be "in system". Though for a figure part like this, there is some chance it might be off as well (but should be a somewhat "round" number as well).
for example on the original mesh the studs are on 12.99 i have rounded it to simply 13
the pin where the arms connect is at -40.924 should it be simplifed to 40?
the flat part where the neck stud sits on isnt flat its all over the place but its mostly -52.192
i have simplified it to 52.2
i would prefer real messuarments because to quote orion "Real world measurements trump the LDD mesh."
also fun fact the part is a glued assembly between a large upper part glued very tightly on a normal minifig torso
so tight you would have to destroy it to sepreate it pictures below
(there were pics of the upper part seperated from the torso but its not available anymore iirc the part connects through the neck i think it was 23763pr0005 that was used
RE: 23763 axl torso - Magnus Forsberg - 2025-06-03
To me, the mesh look really good.
Correct the origin and compare some vertices on left/right side. They match.
Add the 973.dat
Cut it in halves, make a subfile, and reduce away all unnecessary vertices. Many are on flat surfaces.
Remove the top stud, and add a 4-4cylc as neck pin. The surface around is probably flat. y=0
Replace the peg hole, and add a pinhole structure. Need a rework. Center at y=11
Seams hard to use a conhole primitiv.
1 16 20 11 0 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 connhol3.dat
The red thing on the chest might need more work to look good. I would add more vertices to make it "rounder".
Close all the gaps around the standard torso.
Add some kind of blocker to close the internal arm holes in 973.dat.
RE: 23763 axl torso - Chris Böhnke - 2025-06-03
Interesting, didn't know that yet.
Is the mesh designed the same way (2 separate sub-parts)? Should the LDraw version simply mimic the real part's composition?
Do you have the real part? Are there any assemblies possible where the position of the arm pins lines up with anything? Aren't there studs on the back?
If the pins are at 40.924 than a "harsh" rounding would be at 41, not 40. But I'd keep at least 40.9, I'm curious if that is intentional for some reason - offset due to minifig dimensions or something?
EDIT:
Having the minifig torso separate might make the pattern creation a bit more stream-lined as well I'd say.
RE: 23763 axl torso - Magnus Forsberg - 2025-06-03
(2025-06-03, 20:36)Chris Böhnke Wrote: Aren't there studs on the back?
Yes, studs on back are missing.
1 16 0 21 13 0 0 -1 1 0 0 0 -1 0 stug2-2x2.dat
1 10 0 21 13 0 0 -20 20 0 0 0 -1 0 rect.dat
1 16 20 11 0 0 -1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 connhol3.dat
Something feel off here. Studs are "off grid". Don't have the part.
I can only guess, the torso must have been printed before it is fused/glued into the top half.
RE: 23763 axl torso - Jeff Jones - 2025-06-03
axl torso.png (Size: 21.92 KB / Downloads: 94)
currently origin is at bottom of 973 but i rather have the top subpart be at where the minifig neck is because thats how it is attached
"-normal minifig torso is glued to the upper one at the top - tip of the neck and top of body."
what would be a good name for this?
Figure Midfig Torso with Armour and Pinholes
also ids to use for both the top part and the assembly?
maybe 23763 for the assembly and 24128 for the top part
there was a image showing the bottom part of the seperated part showing a id but cant find it
RE: 23763 axl torso - Javier Orquera - 2025-06-03
(2025-06-03, 20:50)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Yes, studs on back are missing.
If you get the mesh from the Unity Microgame, the part comes with studs. Here I attach it. Have the decoration surfaces but I deleted it.
RE: 23763 axl torso - Mark Kennedy - 2025-06-04
(2025-06-03, 21:10)Jeff Jones Wrote: currently origin is at bottom of 973 but i rather have the top subpart be at where the minifig neck is because thats how it is attached
"-normal minifig torso is glued to the upper one at the top - tip of the neck and top of body."
what would be a good name for this?
Figure Midfig Torso with Armour and Pinholes
also ids to use for both the top part and the assembly?
maybe 23763 for the assembly and 24128 for the top part
there was a image showing the bottom part of the seperated part showing a id but cant find it
It seems there is some repeated surfaces in the subpart.
RE: 23763 axl torso - Jeff Jones - 2025-06-04
probably need internal surface so it doesnt look ugly when viewed bottom
also it seems the mesh has some inaccuracies
and updated dats
RE: 23763 axl torso - Javier Orquera - 2025-06-04
(2025-06-04, 9:56)Jeff Jones Wrote: probably need internal surface so it doesnt look ugly when viewed bottom
Here you have a couple of screenshots from the bottom:
RE: 23763 axl torso - Magnus Forsberg - 2025-06-04
(2025-06-04, 13:03)Javier Orquera Wrote: Here you have a couple of screenshots from the bottom:
Is that from a video? Link?
RE: 23763 axl torso - Jeff Jones - 2025-06-04
tried to add internal surface based on mecabricks mesh
a bit messy, missing parts
RE: 23763 axl torso - Javier Orquera - 2025-06-04
(2025-06-04, 17:49)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Is that from a video? Link?
Two videos, actually; the links: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkUjrNsN2o and https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NODLO5sbhUA