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Question about creating a primitive - Manfred Schaefer - 2026-01-02 Hello, I would like to create a new primitive (4-4ring179.dat). To do this, I looked at the primitive 4-4ring18.dat. I noticed that the values of the individual points are, in my opinion, incorrect. A quarter circle consists of four circle segments. The angle of each piece of the quarter circle is 22.5°. The first line in the primitive file looks like this: 4 16 19 0 0 17.5541 0 7.2713 16.6302 0 6.8886 18 0 0 19 0 0 is the point at the bottom right of the first circular arc segment. For the second point counterclockwise, the following applies: x = cos(22.5°) * 19 ~ 0.923879 * 19 ~ 17.55371111 -> 17.5537 y = sin(22.5°) * 19 ~ 0.382683 * 19 ~ 7.27098521 -> 7.2709 These values differ from the values in the file. The deviation is very small, but it is there. My question is: is the value in the file correct and I have made a mistake in my thinking? If so, what is it?  Best regards, Manfred RE: Question about creating a primitive - Rene Rechthaler - 2026-01-02 I think the "inaccuracies" are from the process/definition of the prims... a ring18 connects a cyl scaled x18 with one scaled x19, which means the rounding imperfections from the cyl prims get amplified. (I dont know exactly but it fits: edge/cyl prims have 0.9239 0 0.3827 for the 22.5° position, this multiplied with 19 results in your 17.5541 0 7.2713 values) RE: Question about creating a primitive - Philippe Hurbain - 2026-01-02 Your thinking is right, it's a question of rounding method. We calculate sin/cos of angle, then round these value to 4 decimal places, then scale these values by iner/ourter ring value. This order may seem weird at first sight as it actually lowers the precision, but it's done this way so that the vertices of a cylinder or and edge primitives (that have a 1.0 radius) exactly matches the ones of rings when scaled to fit the ring. Note that Primgen2 tool (either standalone or integrated into LDPE) manages all this for you ...and the real question: why do you need such a large ring radius?