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Perfect vs. Available Parts - Michael Heidemann - 2014-01-04

This morning I looked through the files that are on hold on the PT.

My personal opinion on releasing parts is - good enough! - because of the following reasons.
1) Very seldom a part is visible in a picture in a close-up. So tiny errors are not visible.
2) If the parts are on the PT they are used - so they can't be that bad.
3) If I need a part and it is not in the library I am disappointed. If that occure too often i lost interest.

What is good enough!
1) Connectivity portions needs to be on the right place.
2) The origin is placed according our agreements.
3) The parts shape follows the visual appearance of the real part.

What should not be a reason not to cert?
1) T-Junction on flat surfaces.
2) Overlapping flat surfaces on opaque parts
3) Missing of some condlines that do not affect the overall appearance.

So do not wonder if I cert a part where you say - so many errors in the file.

I hope lot of you can follow my thoughts and on second iteration on the PT we can make the parts perfect. Smile

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Philippe Hurbain - 2014-01-04

I heartfully follow you!!!

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Magnus Forsberg - 2014-01-04

Hi Mike,

To me there are no such thing as "good enough".

Let's start correcting the parts at the Part Tracker, instead of certifying them only because there old or "almost" correct.
We will only be caught forever correcting official parts, instead of creating all the new part LEGO produce.
I see no point in letting parts go, if they're only going to have to come back for later corrections.
Sure, it's easier today, to make better designs, with all the tools we have. Let's use those tools and data we already have,
and put all the personal pride aside, and start working on the designs we have.

I started to correct all the parts that I had Hold-voted early december last year.
Almost all were later cert-voted and released in the latest update. Hopefully without having to come back for corrections.

I don't wanna spend my time correcting other authors "misstakes" and "errors". I wanna make my own. ;-)
It's only after correcting your own misstakes, you'll learn to do things right.

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Steffen - 2014-01-04

In the beginning I also was thinking like you.
I was striving for extreme perfectionism.
This led to the effect that some parts took very, very long to leave the PT the first time.
This meant that many users couldn't use them for building.
Nowadays, I've modified this thought pattern a little (we all get older, right...?):
I nowadays think that a 2-iteration principle is probably the most productive here:
1. get a part out as early as possible, with correct origin, usage logic (connectivity etc.) and BFCing
2. strive for perfectionism in a 2nd iteration on the PT
This brings a part out as early as possible and reduces the pain of waiting.
Additionally, it allows for taking all time to make the part really perfect.

I understand that not all people follow this principle. We're all different. So maybe we can find the minimal compromise of:
- if a part is not perfect and you don't wanna cert it: do not cert it, but also do not hold it
- use hold votes for severe geometry, logic or origin issues

This is just to share what's inside my head.

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Michael Heidemann - 2014-01-04


Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Michael Heidemann - 2014-01-04

I know Smile

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Michael Heidemann - 2014-01-04

I like your perfectionism! But not in the first step Smile

There are so many issues that are really necessary to solve.

If you like to go your way - ok, but do not vote hold if it is really a minor issue. Thanks.
If it comes to parts i have created - please feel free to correct before hold Smile

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Magnus Forsberg - 2014-01-04

Ok, I won't hold vote your parts,
but then, please tell me why I should bother to review your files, if I already know that you don't want to correct them.

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Michael Heidemann - 2014-01-04

That is not true.
If there are big issues I very much like to know that so it can be corrected - by me or someone else!!
It is difficult to draw the line between good enough or not.
I am not against perfect parts!!
I am against holding all parts until they are perfect! - By the way - what is perfect? We can only judge on the todays rules and commitments. Tomorrow they might change - maybe only slightly - but then the parts isn't perfect anymore. Therefore I say: Good enough for release does not mean perfect for today.

Let us work together for a good library, quality _and_ quantitiy Smile

Re: Perfect vs. Available Parts - Michael Horvath - 2014-01-04

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