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RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-11-14
I've updated 606-1 Ambulance with complete state.
623-1 Red Cross Car will follow, when sticker 004762a is certified.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-11-15
Set: 670-1 Mobile Crane
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Missing stickers (Danger stripes on vehicle body), Missing flexible string
Inlined unofficials: 004656a (on PT, admin certified)
Done with: MLCad 3.51
This model is built several years ago and cleaned up just now.
Of course creating flexible items and any other improvements are welcomed.
670-1 - Mobile Crane.mpd (Size: 7.67 KB / Downloads: 7)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-11-15
Set: 643-1 Flatbed Truck
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
643-1 - Flatbed Truck.mpd (Size: 2.8 KB / Downloads: 8)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-11-16
Set: 644-2 Police Mobile Patrol
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
644-2 - Police Mobile Patrol.mpd (Size: 3.46 KB / Downloads: 6)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-11-20
Set: 671-1 Shell Petrol Tanker
OMR Compliant: Currently no (not inlined unofficial stickers)
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
671-1 - Shell Petrol Tanker.mpd (Size: 12.47 KB / Downloads: 13)
Updated with creating stickers and flexible rope.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - N. W. Perry - 2020-11-20
(2020-11-15, 12:44)Takeshi Takahashi Wrote: Set: 670-1 Mobile Crane
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Missing stickers (Danger stripes on vehicle body), Missing flexible string
Inlined unofficials: 004656a (on PT, admin certified)
Done with: MLCad 3.51
This model is built several years ago and cleaned up just now.
Of course creating flexible items and any other improvements are welcomed.
Indeed, ropes and strings are critical to many of the models from this era. Perhaps none less so than this one. :-)
LDCad can handle them of course, but they are fiddly and take a long time to build, at least if you're going for a great deal of accuracy. I've been working at things like pre-made knots and spools, etc., but I find that these differ almost with each different model. Wish there were a better way to automate them!
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-11-22
(2020-11-20, 19:20)N. W. Perry Wrote: Indeed, ropes and strings are critical to many of the models from this era. Perhaps none less so than this one. :-)
LDCad can handle them of course, but they are fiddly and take a long time to build, at least if you're going for a great deal of accuracy. I've been working at things like pre-made knots and spools, etc., but I find that these differ almost with each different model. Wish there were a better way to automate them!
I agree that the flexible ropes and hoses have very important roles in these models.
I'm now learning the use of LDCad including building flexible parts, to migrate from MLCad getting out-of-date.
The knots and spools are so difficult for me currently (authoring patterned tiles or bricks is far easier than them!!),
but I'll try to create them beginning from an update for set 377.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Willy Tschager - 2020-11-22
(2020-11-20, 13:42)Takeshi Takahashi Wrote: Known errors: Missing flexible hose (rope)
Check out:
http://omr.ldraw.org/files/1210
http://omr.ldraw.org/files/1450
Done with LDCad or Synth
w.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - N. W. Perry - 2020-11-22
(2020-11-22, 7:57)Takeshi Takahashi Wrote: I agree that the flexible ropes and hoses have very important roles in these models.
I'm now learning the use of LDCad including building flexible parts, to migrate from MLCad getting out-of-date.
The knots and spools are so difficult for me currently (authoring patterned tiles or bricks is far easier than them!!),
but I'll try to create them beginning from an update for set 377.
You can create cap parts for things like common knots (if you don't want to model the knot itself, a sphere primitive can be a good approximation), and you could do the same with a single spool loop (or even a whole course of them, if you need a full spool). But I think it would be cool to have an automated spooling script, similar to how spring part meshes are generated.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2020-12-31
(2020-04-23, 19:54)Orion Pobursky Wrote: LDCad is far superior for this.
Updated, with creating flexible hose by LSynth (Missing invisible knots).
I wonder how to make the hose thicker as a real part.
377-1 - Shell Service Station.mpd (Size: 24.03 KB / Downloads: 11)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - N. W. Perry - 2020-12-31
(2020-12-31, 13:09)Takeshi Takahashi Wrote: Updated, with creating flexible hose by LSynth (Missing invisible knots).
I wonder how to make the hose thicker as a real part.
I use the LSynth LS60 segment in my own LDCad string template (it looks more like real string than the cylindrical donors that come with LDCad). You can easily scale them in X and Z to make the string thicker or thinner, by changing the rotation matrix in the path skin dialog.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-01-05
Set: 672-1 Fire Engine and Trailer
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Missing flexible hose (rope)
Done with: MLCad 3.51
I'll create the missing flexible hose rope...but unfortunately it will be invisible
672-1 - Fire Engine and Trailer.mpd (Size: 4.45 KB / Downloads: 8)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-01-05
Set: 673-1 Rally Car and Motorbike
OMR Compliant: Currently no (unofficial stickers not inlined)
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
673-1 - Rally Car and Motorbike.mpd (Size: 5.17 KB / Downloads: 8)
Updated with stickers!
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-01-10
I've created the missing signboard u454p01 and hose (copied from set 377).
This is a fit check (not OMR conform), and I'll inline them after the part is certified.
601-1 - Shell Filling Station.mpd (Size: 17.07 KB / Downloads: 8)
Edit 2022-03-20: Made OMR compliant (part u454p01 got official, and inlined LS60)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Fernando Fiorenzano - 2021-01-17
Set: 621-2 - Shell Tanker Truck
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Substituted parts (3004p60 - "Brick 1 x 2 with Shell Logo I Pattern" instead of 3004px17 - "Brick 1 x 2 with Shell Logo II Pattern")
Done with: Studio 2.1.12(1) and MLCad 3.50
Notes: Wrong original instructions: there are three Bricks with the Shell logo, not two!
(Updated "Known errors")
621-2 - Shell Tanker Truck.mpd (Size: 2.14 KB / Downloads: 8)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-03-09
Set: 344-1 Bungalow
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Substituted part: Tree 3471 instead of FTPineH(upn0401)
Done with: MLCad 3.51
In real world, removal of old tile 3068a must be some nightmare...
674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-03-27
Set: 674-1 Forklift and Truck
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Missing forklift spring
Done with: MLCad 3.51
674-1 - Forklift and Truck.mpd (Size: 4.46 KB / Downloads: 9)
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Willy Tschager - 2021-03-27
Missing the spring.
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RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-27, 19:29)Willy Tschager Wrote: Missing the spring.
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Thanks, but I couldn't find no appropriate springs in official library or PT.
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Philippe Hurbain - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-27, 19:29)Willy Tschager Wrote: Missing the spring.Making a spring is not a very big issue (could probably be derived from https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/70181c01.dat), but where is it supposed to attach to the forklift parts???
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RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Magnus Forsberg - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-28, 14:31)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: Making a spring is not a very big issue (could probably be derived from https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?f=parts/70181c01.dat), but where is it supposed to attach to the forklift parts???
Do you know the correct number of that spring? Could it be the same?
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Philippe Hurbain - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-28, 15:25)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Do you know the correct number of that spring? Could it be the same?The true question is - is there a spring??? Mechanism could simply rely on friction between 3430 and 3431... I see none on all photos I checked!
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Magnus Forsberg - 2021-03-28
Yes, it has.
I remember having one as a kid and it was a lot of fun shooting stuff in the air with the fork.
And the parts have hooks for a spring.
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Philippe Hurbain - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-28, 17:11)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Yes, it has.Yes... https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=bb0217&idColor=22#T=C&C=22
I remember having one as a kid and it was a lot of fun shooting stuff in the air with the fork.
And the parts have hooks for a spring.
And advice in 3430 and so called "3429": 0 // Needs work: Spring attachment
I said so called because imho it's actually 3431!
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Joshua Delahunty - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-28, 15:25)Magnus Forsberg Wrote: Do you know the correct number of that spring? Could it be the same?
It's definitely not the same spring.
70181 is from 1983 (for the newer, larger 73367 FORK-LIFT TRUCK), while 74603 FORK-LIFT TRUCK (the one being shown here) dates as far back as 1972.
Plus, I did some measurements for Philo at his request.
The older spring is actually of a larger diameter, and is shorter.
In addition to the spring, there are connection points missing from the platform and the standard for the spring to attach to. I gave Philo some reference photos and suggestions (one could "cheat" and just use a cylinder at the top, even though the shape is more like a box with the top two edges rounded off. The peg on the platform is a lot more involved, if one wants to sweat the details.)
RE: 674-1 - Forklift and Truck - Joshua Delahunty - 2021-03-28
(2021-03-28, 17:44)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: Yes... https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=bb0217&idColor=22#T=C&C=22
And advice in 3430 and so called "3429": 0 // Needs work: Spring attachment
I said so called because imho it's actually 3431!
Philo is right, this is one of the oldest misnumberings in LDRAW.
3429 is unknown, but definitely not the FORK-LIFT PLATFORM, it should be 3431. (3430 is correct as the FORK-LIFT STANDARD)
Note: 3429 is also definitely not the spring; which would have a 6xxx or 7xxxx numbering, owing to the fact that it is metal.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-04-04
Finally completed this set!!
Set: 374-1 Fire Station
OMR Compliant: Currently no (Unofficial stickers not inlined)
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Willy Tschager - 2021-04-14
373 - Offshore Rig with Fuel Tanker.mpd (Size: 323.19 KB / Downloads: 6)
Known errors: None
Done with: LDCad 1.6d
Note: A set I wanted badly as a kid but newer got - now I have and in perfect shape. Love being an AFoL.
Hint: Stickers are at the PT ready to be reviewed
w.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Jeremie Guillaume - 2021-05-07
Hello Takeshi,
Here is the string I made for this nice 670 set. I think it's not too bad... Hope you'll like it
670-1 - Mobile Crane.mpd (Size: 68.74 KB / Downloads: 10)
Made with LDCad the instructions found on JC Tchang's site about how to make a string with the LS60 LSynth part (inlined in the mpd). And quite some time playing with Bezier curves while taking a real-world knot as a reference...
You'll see I fixed three minor glitches, too:
- two 3020's were inverted among building steps
- the crane was vertically overlapping the truck by 8 LDUs
- the red block was lower than (invisible) ground
Finally I couldn't resist but put the stickers... but of course, thanks must go to yourself for having created two of those (BTW I'm impressed by the large numbers of stickers you submitted recently on the PT, great work !)
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Philippe Hurbain - 2021-05-08
Great collaborative work on this one
I'm especially fond of rope knot!
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Willy Tschager - 2021-05-08
You might have a look on what I did on 364:
http://omr.ldraw.org/files/1450
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RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-08
Thanks very much for improving the model!
I've written the !HISTORY line for update log.
670-1 - Mobile Crane.mpd (Size: 68.91 KB / Downloads: 4)
1589 - Main Street - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-09
1589 - Main Street.mpd (Size: 25.79 KB / Downloads: 8)
Set: 1589 - Main Street
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Missing stickers, flexible rope
Done with: MLCad 3.51
As the flexible rope for crane has an important role for this set, I'd like to add it referring Willy and Jeremie's works.
1620-2 - Chocolate Factory - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-10
1620-2 - Chocolate Factory.mpd (Size: 14.29 KB / Downloads: 11)
Set: 1620-2 - Chocolate Factory
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: Flexible rope
Done with: MLCad 3.51
[EDIT 2021-07-26] Added missing stickers, corrected minifig position (Thanks Jeremie for review)
RE: 1589 - Main Street - Jeremie Guillaume - 2021-05-12
Hi Takeshi,
Nice sets of that era! Will be perfect with your corresponding stickers when they become official parts
I fixed a small glitch in 1589, at the back of the office ground floor (one 3665a and one 3660 were misplaced, and one 3005 had become a 3004; plus corrected the building steps).
Here's the fixed file:
1589 - Main Street.mpd (Size: 25.8 KB / Downloads: 6)
Another point I noticed is the alternation of the transparent 3010's / 3622's on the right part of the bus stop. The instructions scans available on the net are not optimal, but apparently they should be in the 3010/3622 and 3622/3010 order alternately (which seems confirmed by the photo overviews of the set). I didn't change that though, not sure of what you'll decide
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Willy Tschager - 2021-05-15
372 - Texas Rangers.mpd (Size: 103.9 KB / Downloads: 4)
Known errors: None
Done with: LDCad 1.6d
Hint: Stickers are at the PT ready to be reviewed
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Jeremie Guillaume - 2021-05-16
Nice model, as always with you Willy
It's only recently, and thanks to LDraw, that I discovered this first version of the Minifigs.
On this one I find it particularly cute the way scarves are represented !
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Jeremie Guillaume - 2021-05-16
Hello,
Here is sets 648 and 690.
I personnaly had the 690 during my childhood. Ldraw made me discover its ancestor the 648
648 - Service Station.mpd (Size: 2.64 KB / Downloads: 4)
690 - Shell Station.mpd (Size: 5.57 KB / Downloads: 7)
Thanks to Takeshi for the recently added parts - u454 slanted signpost and 1955 Shell Logo !
For the 690 I had to create the 8x22 baseplate (inlined), which from what I understood only existed for this specific set. I named it u568 (it was previously referenced as x568), is this correct ?
Files are OMR compliant, except for the fact they use the three unofficial parts below, currently in ACCN state on the Part Tracker:
- u454p01.dat
- u454p02.dat
- 3004pt8.dat
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-18
Thanks for making nice use of part u454!
I recommend you to submit u568 into parts tracker.
It's a nice part.
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Philippe Hurbain - 2021-05-18
(2021-05-18, 14:17)Takeshi Takahashi Wrote: I recommend you to submit u568 into parts tracker.Yes, go for it!
It's a nice part.
379-1 - Bus Station - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-23
379-1 - Bus Station.mpd (Size: 12.06 KB / Downloads: 11)
Set: 379-1 - Bus Station
OMR Compliant: Currently no (Unofficial stickers not inlined)
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
[EDIT 2021-07-07] Fixed window snap error, thanks Jeremie for review
381-2 - Police Headquarters - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-24
381-2 - Police Headquarters.mpd (Size: 22.23 KB / Downloads: 12)
Set: 381-2 - Police Headquarters
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
[EDIT 2021-07-07] Fixed misplaced spout, thanks Jeremie for review
RE: 381-2 - Police Headquarters - Willy Tschager - 2021-05-24
(2021-05-24, 16:25)Takeshi Takahashi Wrote: Set: 381-2 - Police Headquarters
Never had this set as I was knee deep into Classic Space and there were just Christmas and birthday.
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RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Jeremie Guillaume - 2021-05-24
Part u568 submitted today on the parts tracker !
RE: 381-2 - Police Headquarters - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-25
(2021-05-24, 18:23)Willy Tschager Wrote: Never had this set as I was knee deep into Classic Space and there were just Christmas and birthday.
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Yes, classic space sets are also very nice and I like them.
This set 381 was released before I was born (in 1983) and my first police station set is 6386, so I've built this first time on LDraw!
I think this set is very well-designed for action playing with minifigs, and broad possibility for alternative builds (no STAMPs used).
607-1 - Mini Loader - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-25
607-1 - Mini Loader.mpd (Size: 2.36 KB / Downloads: 5)
Set: 607-1 - Mini Loader
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
608-2 - Taxi - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-25
608-2 - Taxi.mpd (Size: 2.08 KB / Downloads: 6)
Set: 608-2 - Taxi
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
645-1 - Police Helicopter - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-26
645-1 - Police Helicopter.mpd (Size: 3.87 KB / Downloads: 7)
Set: 645-1 - Police Helicopter
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
646-1 - Auto Service - Takeshi Takahashi - 2021-05-27
646-1 - Auto Service.mpd (Size: 3.47 KB / Downloads: 7)
Set: 646-1 - Auto Service
OMR Compliant: Yes
Known errors: none
Done with: MLCad 3.51
RE: 1970's - LEGOland and hobby sets - Jeremie Guillaume - 2021-05-27
All these sets are really cool, especially when decorated with their dedicated stickers
I noticed a few glitches here and there - nothing very important but I think would be better if they're fixed
- sets 640-2 and 374-1: the Minifig airtank (3838.dat) should be 2 LDU lower
- set 379-1 : the 3853 (windows frames) and 3855b (windows glasses) aren't correctly snapped together, on all 7 occurences
- set 381-2 : the 3496c01 spout overlaps the 3660 underneath by 8 LDUs
- set 646: according to the instructions, the 3829c01 steering wheel should be yellow
- If I believe rebrickable.com as well as the instructions visuals, many of these sets have 3062a's (with solid stud) rather than 3062b's (with hollow stud); apparently the latter wasn't produced before 1978 anyway. This is particularly noticeable on the main picture of instructions for set 672-1, for example.
- On two sets (372 and 1620), some Minifig are standing in the gap between two pairs of studs (and are overlapping them). Not sure whether this was intended or not (especially for 372 where this permits the Minifig to be in the center of the watchtower) ?