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The base for this entire fuss is a simple misunderstanding. While we fixed the gap with the fire logo pattern Steffen was talking about a change in the first paragraph of the sticker specs. Since our editing hasn't change a single comma in the current color restrictions for the surrounding sticker box trying to interfer with the ongoing voting was IMHO completely out of place. What Steffen is suggesting is changing:

Quote:The sticker is a 0.25 LDU thin box (or whatever shape sticker is in), oriented such that the top face is at -0.25 Y and parallel with the X-Z plane. The pattern is on the top face; the other (five) sides of the box correspond to main background colour of the sticker pattern (i.e. the predominant colour of the pattern at its edges). If there isn't a predominant colour at the edges of the sticker, the actual colour of the sticker material should be used instead (usually white).

to

Quote:The sticker is a 0.25 LDU thin box (or whatever shape sticker is in), without any linetypes 2 (edgelines) and coloured with main color 16. The sticker is oriented such that the top face is at -0.25 Y and parallel with the X-Z plane. The pattern with the hardcoded colours is on the top face.

or something like this down the line. Right?

w.
Willy Tschager Wrote:Right?
Right for me!
Ahh, I get it now. You want to be able to recolor the sticker substrate for stickers printed on an opaque material. That sounds reasonable.

Allen
I think he also wants the "background" color for the sticker pattern itself to be color 16:

Steffen Wrote:I am referring to both transparent and opaque stickers.
I am referring to their rear and side color, which sometimes extends to the front.

The "which sometimes extends to the front" above means to me that he's referring to that in addition to the back and sides.
That's what I'm talking about. To make it simple he wants to see color 16 used for all sticker boxes like I used it her:

http://www.ldraw.org/library/updates/vie...16816a.dat

0 // Thin Box
1 16 -16.5 0 14.5 -1 0 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 1-4disc.dat
1 16 16.5 0 14.5 0 0 1 0 -1 0 1 0 0 1-4disc.dat
...

(where it has been used 'cos the actual box was transparent).

w.
I just wanted to answer at
http://forums.ldraw.org/showthread.php?tid=3857,3902
but couldn't due to forum restrictions :-((((((

In your 3rd example there, the background substrate is visible at the front,
i.e., at the sticker with the crossed swords and the wavy black outside border.
Outside those waves, I'd like to be able to use color 16, even for the front surface.
I think the current spec text has a gap there, it doesn't treat that case.
I don't quite get it - if we do see the white paper outside wavy black line, then shouldn't it be modelled white?

Otherwise, here is another interesting way of doing things... http://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cg...13857b.dat

Philo
Steffen,

I perfectly know what you're talking about - problem is how do you define what the substrate and its color is? Taking these:

[Image: 006.jpg]
[Image: 025.jpg]

and following your request there would be no RED or GRAY used but color 16. It would leave the decision to the part author and no rule is required. How do we define what is substrate and what is part of the pattern? What if the author has no substrate at hand but just the sticker attached to his space ship from '79?

w.
If color 16 is to be used for the sides and back, what about requiring (not allowing, but requiring) color 16 on the front for any portion that matches the color of the sides and back (which also means there's presumably no printed ink there)? There would then be no room for questions about what color the substrate is. It is the color of the sides and back.
Yes, that's what I had meant.
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