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We do complete assemblies for Minidoll torsos, Minidoll hips and legs, and Minifig hips and legs (not all of them). Why don't we for Minifig torsos? Or Technic figures? Or all Minifig hips and legs?

I think we should. And I think all assemblies should be fast track eligible.
(2020-05-01, 21:44)Orion Pobursky Wrote: [ -> ]We do complete assemblies for Minidoll torsos, Minidoll hips and legs, and Minifig hips and legs (not all of them). Why don't we for Minifig torsos? Or Technic figures? Or all Minifig hips and legs?

I think we should. And I think all assemblies should be fast track eligible.

For some context, I think this is a place where we're out of sync from the rest of the community. Every other cataloging site lists these as single parts. Honestly, I can't think of any compelling reason why we shouldn't (no, I don't think library "clutter" is a good reason to leave out parts that come as assemblies out of the bag) and it would help us sync better.
(2020-05-01, 21:44)Orion Pobursky Wrote: [ -> ]I think we should.

I agree. I even made this file years ago, but it is still not "accepted".
https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.cgi?s=973c01

My reason for wanting this as an assembly is, that we need to provide shortcuts, gathering all the printed parts of an assembly, like we already do with minifig hips+legs.
And I want to also suggest that coloured arms, both printed and dual-moulded, must have the same patternnumber as the torso have. Like we do with the hips+legs.
What would be the correct partnumber to use on an assembly of a printed torso with dual-moulded arms with a printed pattern on the arms? Or a complete torso, but with printed arms? I think we need to have some rules about numbering and descriptions first.

I think we should only make shortcuts gathering printed parts, and not have assemblies containing only coloured parts.
(OTOH my first file have only yellow hands)
I'm fine with a single shortcut of torsi with hands/bird wings/flippers:

https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c...973c01.dat
https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c.../11938.dat
https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c.../24319.dat

And if you wanna add a shortcut of a torso with dual molded arms I'm okay also with that ...

... but I do not see a necessity for patterned shortcuts:

https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c...19ccfd.dat
https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptdetail.c...19cd6e.dat

Changing a torso is just inlining and a few clicks while you get surely lost browsing a library with all those pattern/color combination out there.

However I would like to see these shortcuts grouped under:

Minifig Shortcut ...

Minifig Shortcut Torso with Bird Wing Arms
Minifig Shortcut Hips and Legs Faun
Minifig Shortcut Martian (Complete)
Minifig Shortcut Baby with ...

w.
(2020-05-02, 11:31)Willy Tschager Wrote: [ -> ]Changing a torso is just inlining and a few clicks while you get surely lost browsing a library with all those pattern/color combination out there.

We are already inconsistent in this regard. We already have complete shortcuts for Minidolls and some Minifig Hips/Legs. From a user standpoint, it makes no sense to me why we can't be consistent with ourselves and, also, be like the rest of the inventory sites in the community. Right now, trying to figure out what torso goes with what assembly is a gigantic pain. The sorting "problem" is instantly solvable with a new CATEGORY, new prefix, or, simply, creative bucketing.

P.S. I don't know why we are so lothe to add new CATEGORYs
(2020-05-02, 12:32)Orion Pobursky Wrote: [ -> ]We are already inconsistent in this regard. We already have complete shortcuts for Minidolls and some Minifig Hips/Legs. From a user standpoint, it makes no sense to me why we can't be consistent with ourselves and, also, be like the rest of the inventory sites in the community. Right now, trying to figure out what torso goes with what assembly is a gigantic pain. The sorting "problem" is instantly solvable with a new CATEGORY, new prefix, or, simply, creative bucketing.

P.S. I don't know why we are so lothe to add new CATEGORYs

We are not an inventory site. I surely don't have to remind you how much afford was needed to get rid off the physical parts, which was a step in the inventory direction.

w.
(2020-05-02, 13:27)Willy Tschager Wrote: [ -> ]We are not an inventory site. I surely don't have to remind you how much afford was needed to get rid off the physical parts, which was a step in the inventory direction.

w.

We are (kind of) an inventory site. However, you have yet to present a good counter (for something we are already doing) except “library clutter” which doesn’t hold a lot a weight with me. By your argument we shouldn’t have any assemblies and force users to assemble, say, the RCX brick from scratch every time.  

Also, I consider this fundamentally different from physical color parts as those are single parts.
(2020-05-02, 13:57)Orion Pobursky Wrote: [ -> ]We are (kind of) an inventory site. However, you have yet to present a good counter (for something we are already doing) except “library clutter” which doesn’t hold a lot a weight with me. By your argument we shouldn’t have any assemblies and force users to assemble, say, the RCX brick from scratch every time.  

Also, I consider this fundamentally different from physical color parts as those are single parts.

I'm not questioning the usefulness of shortcuts. I'm questioning the usefulness of (theoretically) adding 4351 torso assemblies currently listed at BL. Things like

[Image: 973p40c01.png][Image: 973p40c03.png][Image: 973p40c02.png][Image: 973pb0391c01.png][Image: 973pb0281c01.png]

Do you really think you're faster browsing, say, some 100 assemblies than inlining the complete minifig and substituting parts?

Beside the clutter. Who's gonna add them, who's gonna review them? If you're looking for a task there are:

572 certified files.
489 files need admin review.
1171 files need more votes.
1690 have uncertified subfiles.
295 held files

waiting for you over at the PT.

w.
I sort of agree with both of you.

We might need some sort of "shortcut", grouping printed torso with printed arms (and hips with legs).
But I would actually prefer to do this in a minifig generator.

There are some very complex patterned figures with a continuing pattern beginning on the back of the torso, across the arms, to the front of the torso, over the hips and finnishing on the legs. It would be great to find those parts in a shortcut, instead of inlining a minifig and having to sort out the correct pattern on every limb.

I think we made all the Fabuland figures only because it was a finite number to create.
Minidolls quickly spiraled out into a too large groups of figures.

Maybe this is too complex to handle in our library...
...and for most usages you still have to inline the torsi to pose the minifig... I am not so keen adding the shortcuts (same things for legs, for minidolls or fabuland figures!)
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