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(2019-04-10, 20:35)Roland Melkert Wrote: [ -> ]I always considered all tiles to be a subset of plates. Meaning any tile is also a plate.

If you take this strictly the tile category shouldn't even exist by itself but only as a subcategory of plate.

So in a tree form you would have something like:

Code:
plates
 |- plain (all studs no clips etc)
 |- tiles (anything fully flat)
 |- hybrid (semi flat)
 |- hinges
 |- clips
 |- etc
Hmm, interesting aproach.
Same would go for bricks for instance?
Brick plain (1x1, 1x2, etc.) and modified with clips, studs on side, etc.
I'd like to resurrect this topic since I agree with Jaco. I think it makes no sense that the "jumper" plates are plates but the 4x6 tile with studs is a tile.
(2020-02-18, 20:16)Orion Pobursky Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to resurrect this topic since I agree with Jaco. I think it makes no sense that the "jumper" plates are plates but the 4x6 tile with studs is a tile.

I agree with Magnus and Ulrich, everything with a stud on top is a plate, no more tile.
My feeling is that a tile is simply a sub-type of plate; i.e., one without any studs.

By the "natural order of things," a plate is a flat part with studs on it. Sometimes you find that the plate has had a corner cut off, say, or some of the studs removed, so now you have a modified plate (or as BL calls it, a "plate, modified")—but you still have a plate.

By extension, if you keep removing studs until you haven't any left, you have a studless plate called a "tile". But if you stop before that point—you remove some of the studs but still have some left—you haven't reached "tile" yet, you're still just in the "modified plate" world.

On the other hand, I understand why a part that's mostly smooth does look like, or function as, a tile to a certain extent. But where's the limit? If we take a studless 4x6 tile and start adding studs, eventually we might end up with a 4x6 tile that has 24 studs on it—also known as simply a "plate".

If we wanted to recognize "tile" as an optional keyword for tile-like parts that have some studs, perhaps the rule could be that only studless plates are categorized as "tiles", but any plate that is missing studs on at least 50% of its contiguous surface area is entitled to the optional "tile" keyword. So the 4x6 plate with studs around the edges would qualify (12 of 24 nominal studs are absent), but not the jumper (1 of 2 nominal studs is absent, but not within a contiguous area).
(2020-02-18, 20:54)Gerald Lasser Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Magnus and Ulrich, everything with a stud on top is a plate, no more tile.

This is what I meant since neither Jaco or I were clear.
OK, nice to see this gets attention again.

Can we come to an agreement to rename any "tile" that has one or more studs on it anywhere to "plate" and add "tile" as a keyword?

I am making a list for a proposal to rename and post here to discuss.
(2020-02-18, 21:25)N. W. Perry Wrote: [ -> ]If we wanted to recognize "tile" as an optional keyword for tile-like parts that have some studs, perhaps the rule could be that only studless plates are categorized as "tiles", but any plate that is missing studs on at least 50% of its contiguous surface area is entitled to the optional "tile" keyword. So the 4x6 plate with studs around the edges would qualify (12 of 24 nominal studs are absent), but not the jumper (1 of 2 nominal studs is absent, but not within a contiguous area).
Basically I agree, but I wonder where the threshold should be. I am a bit annoyed that the 2x2 with one stud jumper qualifies as tile and not the 1x2...
(2020-02-19, 9:20)Philippe Hurbain Wrote: [ -> ]Basically I agree, but I wonder where the threshold should be. I am a bit annoyed that the 2x2 with one stud jumper qualifies as tile and not the 1x2...

It does not if we go on with the renaming.
That is why the 2x2 jumper is called a Plate 2 x 2 with Centre stud, like the 1x2 jumper is called plate too.
(2020-02-19, 8:50)Jaco van der Molen Wrote: [ -> ]OK, nice to see this gets attention again.

Can we come to an agreement to rename any "tile" that has one or more studs on it anywhere to "plate" and add "tile" as a keyword?

I am making a list for a proposal to rename and post here to discuss.

Here is the list:

3808
Duplo Tile 2 x 4 x 0.333 Half Circle with 2 Studs
Duplo Plate 2 x 4 x 0.333 Half Circle with 2 Studs

31465
Duplo Tile 4 x 6 with Studs on Edge
Duplo Plate 4 x 6 with 6 Studs on one Edge

35459
Tile 1 x 3 Inverted with Bar Hole
Plate 1 x 3 Inverted with Bar Hole

11203
Tile 2 x 2 Inverted with Groove
Plate 2 x 2 Inverted with Groove

33909
Tile 2 x 2 with Studs on Edge
Plate 2 x 2 with 2 Studs on one Edge

88646
Tile 3 x 4 with Four Studs
Plate 3 x 4 with 4 Studs in the Middle

4607
Tile 4 x 16 with 24 Studs
Plate 4 x 16 with Round Edges and 3 Times 2 x 4 Studs in pairs

6179
Tile 4 x 4 with Studs on Edge
Plate 4 x 4 with 4 Studs on one Edge

6179d01
Tile 4 x 4 with Studs on Edge with Batman Logo Sticker
Plate 4 x 4 with 4 Studs on one Edge with Batman Logo Sticker

6180
Tile 4 x 6 with Studs on Edges
Plate 4 x 6 with 12 Studs on three Edges

6178
Tile 6 x 12 with Studs on Edges
Plate 6 x 12 with 22 Studs on 3 Edges

6205
Tile 6 x 16 with Studs on 3 Edges
Plate 6 x 16 with 26 Studs on 3 Edges

45522
Tile 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Card-holder - "SPORTS"
Plate 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Card-holder - "SPORTS"

6177
Tile 8 x 8 Round with 2 x 2 Center Studs
Plate 8 x 8 Round with 2 x 2 Center Studs



Let me know what you think.
Have I forgotten any part?
(2020-02-19, 9:34)Jaco van der Molen Wrote: [ -> ]That is why the 2x2 jumper is called a Plate 2 x 2 with Centre stud, like the 1x2 jumper is called plate too.
I meant the tile keyword...
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